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jcbruno

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high fellas i have long wanted to start having some just fun to shoot guns my father and uncle at this time has maney sweedish/german,czeck,mausers a m1 garand in vg condition, a bren gun, mg34, a sako mosin,and maney enfields Canadian,British,Indian,Australian and i think a rare south african one aswell and he has many de-wated smg and a d wat maxim gun

and so as you can see in the familly we have many originals i for my collection i am interested in buying some brand new remakes 2 that i have in mind are the australian AIA 308 remake
and the norinco 22 clone of the mauser k98
what do you guys think of these are they a good buy?
how much do sprinfield garand's go for ?
and i know there is expensive remakes of the mp44 but is anyone making remade k98's in 8mm or 308 i herd someone might be?
 
"...AIA 308 remake..." Yep. Too much money if you ask me though. All Norinco's stuff is newly made in China.
A Springfield M1 has a MSRP of just over a grand US and isn't as good as an original M1.
You can have a K98 chambered in several cartridges. 7mm, 8mm, .308 and .30-06. There are lots of them around made for or by a bunch of countries. It's another rifle that the original is better than any re-make.
 
I find it hard to give an opinion when the question is so disjointed that it's hard to understand what the person is asking, or if he's sober.
 
The little Norinco .22 is a Brno clone stocked and fitted up to resemble a Mauser. It is not a remake of anything, certainly not a reproduction of one of the Mauser training rifles from the '30s. The ones that I have seen were not badly made, better than the average JW15, but with Norinco's erratic QC, anything is possible.
The commercial Springfield M-1 is more expensive that a genuine service rifle, and uses aftermarket cast parts. Can't see the point in buying one.
From all reports the AIA rifles are well made, and excellent shooters, whether they are worth the price is a matter of personal opinion.
The SSD firearms are excellent reproductions, and priced accordingly. For most folks, a deactivated paperweight is the only option if an original is desired.
The Norinco M305/M-14s is probably the best buy in a reproduction service rifle. A vast amount of information is available about these on this site. There are also the 3 different commercial versions of the VZ58.
 
tiriaq said:
The little Norinco .22 is a Brno clone stocked and fitted up to resemble a Mauser. It is not a remake of anything, certainly not a reproduction of one of the Mauser training rifles from the '30s. The ones that I have seen were not badly made, better than the average JW15, but with Norinco's erratic QC, anything is possible.
The commercial Springfield M-1 is more expensive that a genuine service rifle, and uses aftermarket cast parts. Can't see the point in buying one.
From all reports the AIA rifles are well made, and excellent shooters, whether they are worth the price is a matter of personal opinion.
The SSD firearms are excellent reproductions, and priced accordingly. For most folks, a deactivated paperweight is the only option if an original is desired.
The Norinco M305/M-14s is probably the best buy in a reproduction service rifle. A vast amount of information is available about these on this site. There are also the 3 different commercial versions of the VZ58.
tiriaq said:
good info thanks! i realy like the idea of the aia 308 and will buy one i think, like i stated in the familly we already have many originals and so i am looking for some guns that are fun to shoot and could use for hunting and just target plinking, as far as the little norinco i guess i like the apearance that makes it a novelty gun and looks like it would be fun to tinker with , i have no high expectation i own a anchutz and a CZ and certainly dont expect the same from the little norc.what i would realy like to see is someone like CZ make a remake of the k98 in 8mm or 308 someone will i hope.
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I saw a report that the Czechs were making a reproduction of the K98. They were making a sporting Mauser action. Do not know if anything came of it. I would imagine that a quality European reproduction of the K98K would cost more than the AIA, where at least some part of the manufacture occurs in Southeast Asia.
 
Hitzy said:
Lots of original garands around now. The Nork K98 .22 is pretty crappy by most accounts. I'd just get a real No4 over the AIA affair, about a 1/3 of the price and it's the real deal. lots of russian capture real deal K98's around as well. Check P&S militaria http://psmilitaria.50megs.com/
And tradex canada http://www.tradeexcanada.com/
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The young lad likes to shoot the Norc KW25,its fairly accurate and nice and small.Never had a problem with it.

But for an adult you may be better of with the Israeli version.
 
because i want a gun to beat up and shoot lots of round's 308 surplus ammo is more available than 303, 308 is a superior hunting cartridge, a new rifle never been fired or treated bad except by me,free floating barrel thus more acurate
 
With the AIA, there are lots of very nice post war No4's kicking around for $300-$400, with the $400 left over you could get about 500 rounds of brand new reloadable UMC .303 ball. 308 surplus is in a bit of a lull right now, haven't seen a whole lot of it lately. The AIA is however very nice, so nice you might not want to bash it about!
 
jcbruno,

Don't discount the genuine M1 Garands going around as simply for collecting and storing in your gun cabinet. If you can get one at a reasonable price it is still a totally functional and effective rifle that can take all sorts of conditions as long as you lube it properly. Your idea of getting a norc M14 is a fine one (I did), but if you can afford another rifle, I'd keep an eye out for a good "shooter" Garand. I seriously doubt you'd be dissapointed. And if you find one and you decide not to buy it, PM me so I can!
 
Couple of things.
1. Given the price of an A1A, using it as a beater, is hardly a good idea.
2. A lot more game on every continent has been taken with a .303 than with a .308, so it is hardly superior.
 
John Sukey said:
Couple of things.
1. Given the price of an A1A, using it as a beater, is hardly a good idea.
2. A lot more game on every continent has been taken with a .303 than with a .308, so it is hardly superior.
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308 in every way is superior, lots of game has been taken with 7.62-39 certainly does not make it superior.
1 308 wide variety of amunition surplu&comercial more so than 303
2 308 far superior ballistics
3 inherently more acurate and flatter shooting
so explain to me how 308 isnt superior to 303 there is nothing wrong with those who use 303;)
 
jcbruno said:
because i want a gun to beat up and shoot lots of round's 308 surplus ammo is more available than 303, 308 is a superior hunting cartridge, a new rifle never been fired or treated bad except by me,free floating barrel thus more acurate
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Hey, if you want to blow a wad of cash, I can put a brand new 308 barrel on a nice M1 Garand for $1000.... and the steel in the reciever will be 5 times better then the new ones they're building these days.... I've never seen a WWII Garand blow up, but I've seen one of the new ones in pieces on a range, and the guys arm mangled up...... just a thought...
 
jcbruno said:
308 in every way is superior, lots of game has been taken with 7.62-39 certainly does not make it superior.

How widely used has 7.62x39 been used for hunting - not talking about AKs being used by poachers in Africa. Nothing in comparison with either .303 or .308.

1 308 wide variety of amunition surplu&comercial more so than 303

There is more variety of commercial .308 ammunition available than .303. Supplies of both 7.62mm and .303 ball seem rather limited at present.

2 308 far superior ballistics

Far superior? .308 velocities are a bit higher, perhaps 10%. Ballistic performance is dependent on the actual projectile. Not much difference between a .308" 180gr pointed softpoint and a .311" 180gr pointed softpoint. .303 will handle heavier bullets than .308.

3 inherently more acurate and flatter shooting

Inherently more accurate? You mean that the .308 cartridge is inherently more accurate as a matter of design? Rubbish. Try an accurate .303 rifle sometime. Flatter shooting? Depends on the bullet, not the cartridge.

so explain to me how 308 isnt superior to 303 there is nothing wrong with those who use 303;)
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You are making statements based on opinion. I have shot caribou with both .303 and .308, and neither I nor the caribou could tell the difference. I have engaged in formal target shooting with both. Either can be effective. Years ago when the transition to 7.62 was taking place, there were No. 4 rifles in both calibres being used. Took a bit of doing to get rifles using 7.62 NATO ball to shoot as well as ones shooting .303 Mk.Vll.
 
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