Some questions on accuracy, bedding and m14s' today

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I've always wanted an M14 type rifle and it seems as if there is a small possibility for this to be legally possible for me here in Sweden. I don't have the economic issue sorted out yet, I'll first evaluate the guns in question, then economics, then the final legal issues on exporting, inexpensive transport across the great pond et.c.

1. What kind of out-of-the-box accuracy can you expect from an m14s these days? is it getting better or worse? (ideal conditions presumed - bench rest, a divine marksman et.c.)

2. What would it take to improve this accuracy dollar-wise? I've understood that some people exchange certain parts like the OP-rod and also that glass bedding is popular. I've read that the glass bedding will loose it's effect after about 2000 rounds, is this true? How bad does it get after say 5000 rounds?

3. What is the cheapest way to put a nice, consistent quick-detachable scope mount on an m14s? I'm not saying it has to be cheap, just asking at what price these mounts get good.

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1. i get 1.5-2'' groups @ 100 yards with handloads,

2.not surei haven't bedded the action yet

3. i have a arms 18 mount, with the scope removed the iron sights are usable, not sure if there is any quick detcah mounts, but QD rings are availible

good luck
matt
 
1. Wow, 5cm @ 100m (just better than 2MOA) is what I've set as a lowest acceptable accuracy for my hunting needs. When is your rifle built? Have you modified it in any way?

3. Did you need a smith or a machine park to fit it or just regular tools and a manual? Are the iron sights visible when the mount doesn't have a scope on it?

thanks!
 
if you get the right kind of mount, there/s no need to dismount the scope as the sights co-witness- all 4 of mine do- but you need a cheek riser for the stock
as to bedding, it's of questionable value as some of these are EXCELLENT shooters right out of the box- a great deal of it has to do with your AMMUNITION- in my experience the 165-168s shoot better than the 150s that most people shoot
now as to size- chances are it WILL FIT- remember who these things were built for- usgis- typically 5'4 and 110 to 6'2 and 250- and that's a big heavy boy-
and all my scope mounts come right off by means of a big thumbwheel - read easily removable- coin or screwdriver will do the job
 
sorry i didn/t answer all your questions the first time round
here's the rest- accuracy- with my HANDLOADS i get 1 inch or better at 100 yards for all 20 rounds when we could use such things- now with the 5 shot rule, it gives the barrel time to cool down and introduces a bunch of variables b/c you had to change the mag- ie the conditions what gave that group are now changed
2 you WILL lose the bedding if you follow the recommended procedure for cleaning the rifle- ie removing the action from the stock
the guys that do the bedding number typically only do the stock removal thing about every 6 months- there are ways to clean it without stock removal, but every so often you have to get at the oprod and other internals-
3 the sky's the limit on "improving" these rifles do a search on the mods- and they may or may not improve the accuracy- the money is FAR better spent on LOAD DEVELOPMENT
i've got a harris bipod on all my 14s- all four of them- drilled out the front rivet and put a sling screw in there along with a t-bolt
be prepeared theat your scope mount will cost as much as the rifle if not more, and get a STEEL mount, not an aluminum- steel on steel will expand at a given rate- aluminum on steel expands at 2 different rates
 
"...an M14S..." Hi. They were made in China by Norinco. Can you get Norinco stuff in Sweden? Production has stopped as far as I know.
 
The idea is that I make a permanent export from Canada to Sweden. I don't know what your bureucrats think of exportation but from what I've read it's not impossible.

The thing is that once I get the gun I don't want to take it out of the country ever again because of all the paperwork, so I first have to decide that it will hold an acceptable accuracy level for as long as I will use it. These guns are extremely rare here andthere are no smiths that have experience with the m14 pattern. Since I don't feel for tracking wounded animals after a misplaced shot I need the gun to be able to perform 2 MOA or I won't feel confident enough to use it in any situation that I would with a "normal" hunting rifle.

We have pretty complex laws on what firearms are allowed and they are interpreted individually for each time you apply for a license. The m14 type rifles have all been impossible to acquire - or so I thought - now it seems as if some are slipping through and there might be an inofficial policy change going on.
 
however, there is at least one guy in holland that has the REAL m14 in a trw -and has the f/a kit to boot- trw owners are kind of a small group - he got his through a wird channel- it was seconded to marvin , dropped, picked up by the vc/nva, and then sold via some arms dealer to him- of course, there are VERY strict rules governing its use- all mine came in through isreal(trw, h*r, springfield)
and should you ever need parts/service, i believe the "toymakers" to the south and a little east should be able to accomodate you- however, the m14 is so simple you should be able to replace most parts on your own with hand tools-
 
a###el said:
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The thing is that once I get the gun I don't want to take it out of the country ever again because of all the paperwork, so I first have to decide that it will hold an acceptable accuracy level for as long as I will use it. These guns are extremely rare here and there are no smiths that have experience with the M14 pattern. ...
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A###el, the truth in Canada is very few of our gunsmiths know how to tune M14 rifles either. The overwhelming majority of guns that are used and repaired every year are hunting rifles. Unless the man wearing the apron and safety glasses had US military armorer's training or studied under a military trained armorer, the average owner/shooter knows more. CGN has been an amazing resource for trading stories and tuning tips. The resulting demystification has given owners and shooters a lot of confidence to share their experiences.

I admire your enthousiasm at learning about these interesting rifles, and your courage to import one to your country. You did ask an important question; what year to buy. The Chinese have steadily improved their metal quality, and the most recent batch (marked Bell Lifestyle.CA) has the best test report so far. The 2007 batch is probably second best.

With careful ammunition selection and simple tuning, the Chinese M14s (ie. M305 or M14S) are more accurate than the gun nut pulling the trigger. The USGI acceptance specification wasn't very high, so the rifles are already exceeding expectations.
 
After the scrutiny of this thread it still seems as the m14 pattern rifle is worthy of the "dream gun" title. I need to sort out the financial and bureaucratical issues before moving forward. Thank you guys
 
a###el said:
After the scrutiny of this thread it still seems as the m14 pattern rifle is worthy of the "dream gun" title. I need to sort out the financial and bureaucratical issues before moving forward. Thank you guys
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the exchange rate is 24 swedish blondes for one rifle- delivered
 
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