Some Questions on Field Dressing Moose

I'm almost afraid to poke my head in this thread lol, but I found that old email I got from the cfo about deboning/processing game. I said I'd post it and here it is. Don't shoot the messenger!

Thank you for your email dated September 7, 2013, regarding evidence of ### and species of harvested wildlife. Your enquiry has been forwarded to me for response.
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It is legal to transport deboned and wrapped game from the kill location to one’s home. However, there are certain requirements that must be met if you are planning to transport game this way. Below are the legal requirements for transporting harvested wildlife:
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Division#5#—#Possession of Carcass
Possession of carcass
15 ###### (1)# In subsection (2), "deer" means mule (black-tailed) deer, white-tailed deer and fallow deer.
(2)# For the purpose of section 36 of the Act, a person who possesses the whole carcass or part of a carcass of an elk, moose or deer must leave naturally attached to the carcass or one part of the carcass in the person's possession
(a)#if the animal was male, either
(i)# that portion of the head that bears the antlers, or
(ii)# both
(A)# a testicle or part of the #####, and
(B)# the animal's tail or another readily identifiable part of the hide not less than 6 cm2, and
(b)#if the animal was female, either
(i)# that portion of the head that in males normally bears antlers, or
(ii)# both
(A)# a portion of the udder or teats, and
(B)# the animal's tail or another readily identifiable part of the hide not less than 6 cm2.
(3)# For the purpose of section 36 of the Act, a person who possesses the whole carcass or part of a carcass of a caribou must leave naturally attached to the carcass or one part of the carcass in the person's possession
(a)#if the animal was male,
(i)# a testicle or part of the #####, and
(ii)# the animal's tail, another readily identifiable part of the hide not less than 6 cm² or that portion of the head that bears the antlers, and
(b)#if the animal was female,
(i)# a portion of the udder or teats, and
(ii)# the animal's tail, another readily identifiable part of the hide not less than 6 cm2 or that portion of the head that normally bears the antlers.
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###########As you can see from above, there are different requirements for different species. Hunters have to be able to prove that the game in their possession was legally harvested. This means that the hunter must be able to prove the ### and the species of the harvested animal. If you are de-boning/butchering the animal, you must leave, naturally attached to a part of the carcass, proof of ### (testicle, udder, etc as described above), and a minimum 6 cm2 patch of hide or the tail. A detached head accompanying de-boned meat is not sufficient for proof of ### and species. The head needs to be left naturally attached to the carcass if it is used to prove ### and species of a harvested animal.
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########### Note that section 35 and 36 of the Wildlife Act state that:
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Retrieval of wildlife killed
35# ##### (1)#In this section, "dwelling place" does not include a temporary or seasonal camp.
(2)#A person commits an offence if the person hunts wildlife and kills or injures that wildlife and fails to make every reasonable effort to
(a)#retrieve the wildlife, and if it is alive to kill it and include it in his or her bag limit, and
(b)#remove the edible portions of the carcass of game to the person's normal dwelling place or to a meatcutter or the owner or operator of a cold storage plant,
unless exempted by regulation.
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Possession of carcass
36####### (1)#A person who possesses the carcass of any wildlife, whether or not the carcass has been divided, without leaving attached the parts required by regulation to be left attached, commits an offence.
(2)#Subsection (1) only applies until the earlier of the following:
(a)#the carcass is given to a meatcutter or the owner or operator of a cold storage plant to be recorded in accordance with section 71,
(b)#the carcass arrives at the person's normal dwelling place and is butchered and stored there for consumption on the premises, or
(c)#the carcass is presented to an employee of the ministry for which the minister is responsible or other person specified by the Lieutenant Governor in Council for inspection.
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########### Note that if a species is subject to Compulsory Inspection there are additional requirements that must be met. More information on Compulsory Inspection requirements are available on page 21 of the Hunting and Trapping Regulations Synopsis.
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Regards,
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Stephen MacIver|Policy & Regulations Analyst|Fish, Wildlife and Habitat Management Branch|Ministry of Forests, Lands, and Natural Resource Operations|Phone (250) 387-9767|Email: stephen.maciver@gov.bc.ca
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I think you interpreted the response incorrectly....not that the response was incorrect. No where does it say that the head must be left attached to the carcass as you stated. It is but one option when proving evidence of ### and species....other options are available when deboning. Sounds like a reasonable response to me...not sure where the issue lies.
 
This part, it's kind of buried in the text.


A detached head accompanying de-boned meat is not sufficient for proof of ### and species. The head needs to be left naturally attached to the carcass if it is used to prove ### and species of a harvested animal.

I understand that as long as you leave hide and proof of ### on the meat it's not required, but some guys do show up at the butcher with 5 gallon pails of meat and a set of horns and that's not legal from what I understand.


Not trying to reopen old wounds, just following up like I said I would.
 
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I ve read someone about caribou and gutless method ....

I don't know how many I ve done in three years guiding ( if you ask I ll find out) I ve done this twice because each time we had more than one killed on the same spot or around and if you wait 30 min you ll see what happens to him ...

so I don't know that much for a moose but If im not able to recover it that fast I ll open and gut it before anything else : they re ruminant too ...
 
This part, it's kind of buried in the text.




I understand that as long as you leave hide and proof of ### on the meat it's not required, but some guys do show up at the butcher with 5 gallon pails of meat and a set of horns and that's not legal from what I understand.


Not trying to reopen old wounds, just following up like I said I would.

You originally stated that the head had to be attached to the carcass and you had an email stating that.....obviously that is not the case. It's one option. Your email agrees with the regs.
 
I ve read someone about caribou and gutless method ....

I don't know how many I ve done in three years guiding ( if you ask I ll find out) I ve done this twice because each time we had more than one killed on the same spot or around and if you wait 30 min you ll see what happens to him ...

so I don't know that much for a moose but If im not able to recover it that fast I ll open and gut it before anything else : they re ruminant too ...

Nothing bloats up like a caribou that's for sure but I've successfully used the gutless method on several dozen. You just want to be careful not to poke the stomach....lol
 
Been following this thread. One of my hunting partners (a Labradorian, did I get that name right?) showed us a neat trick a few years back. Spread the legs with ratchet straps ( need trees or something to belay to). We use utility knives for much of the work, just break off a blade when dull. Generally pack out the quarters, which is a grunt, but I am one of the old guys so I get to watch that part and give timely advice as required. The advice is always well received. Moving quickly with a very sharp knife is not always advisable.
 
You originally stated that the head had to be attached to the carcass and you had an email stating that.....obviously that is not the case. It's one option. Your email agrees with the regs.

So the concensus is I misread what was stated in the email.

Fair enough.

I guess the plus side is that everyone is pretty clear on the regs now!
 
I never read through the complete thread so I might be repeating what was already said.
I do 90% of my hunting by myself (just seem to be way more successful without help), moose hunting included.... I get a moose every year and it takes me about 2hrs from the time I pull the trigger 'til the moose is in game bags. Here's the way I do it...tie one side left or right of the legs off to a tree or shrub with a strap or twine or what ever so the legs are pointing at the sky....if you can get the ass end downhill slightly great, cut around the poop hole as far in as the knife will go.....slit the belly hide but not the membrane up past the brisket....cut pelvic bone with a sharp axe or saw (I usually carry a few different carpenters saws and chainsaw on my quad or boat)....slip the knife in behind the brisket at the diaphram to expose the end of the brisket and use the saw to cut the brisket up to the neck....spread the brisket and cut around the diaphram and sever the windpipe in as far up the neck as you can....with two fingers tucked in under the belly membrane to hold the guts away from the knife cut the membrane down to the pelvic bone....pull the poop tube out into the belly area and roll out the lungs, organs, and guts out cutting along the back bone. Now you are ready to start quartering or dividing into smaller portions if you have to pack.
I'll half the moose cutting between the 4th and 5th ribs counting from the rear and then 1/4 each of those halves by cutting down the center of the back bone from the inside (a small chainsaw with no bar oil works great).
At this point I will start to skin each 1/4, and as I skin I work a game bag over the meat to keep it clean as I go (tarps work great to lay the 1/4's on to keep dirt and stuff off).
If I can I'll go with four quarters in game bags...if I have to pack it any distance I'll seperate the four legs joints, the ribs, and the two spine sections into seperate bags or bone out as much as I can if I don't want to carry any bone.
Anyways its normally about two hours and the meat is all nice and clean and cooling in game bags. Two or more guys would make it quicker but I just seem to get a lot more game when hunting solo.
Have fun.
 
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