Some stuff you do not see every day

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Hello. I just acquired some obscure Ammo which I haven’t seen in the flesh before. I’ve heard of it but really don’t know much about them. Pictures tell a thousand words. Cheers






 
What are you looking to learn? All of it is relatively common. Maybe not so much these days. The .30 Remington is the forefather of the 6.8SPC and 10mm Auto. .57 Snider and 9MM Long are obsolete military cartridges. Your particular Snider cartridge was manufactured by Dominion Cartridge Company
 
Not 100% sure but I seem to remember a surplus store in Toronto going by the logo SIR like the price tags on your Remington box. It was a long time ago so I may not be correct. Based on the price tag codes it was more recent than when Moses was in the cradle lol!
 
Not 100% sure but I seem to remember a surplus store in Toronto going by the logo SIR like the price tags on your Remington box. It was a long time ago so I may not be correct. Based on the price tag codes it was more recent than when Moses was in the cradle lol!

I believe SIR stood for Sydney Robertson company in Winnepeg which was sold to Cabelas and now Bass Pro.
I used to order stuff from there all the time and have some of their old catalogues.
 

I’m still trying to figure out why anyone would choose this caliber. It must have been very unpopular to be discontinued in the 80s and is now scarce and expensive, probably something like 303 savage. I’d like to know what the browning 9mm long was used in maybe the sterling? Rather ask than search. The “dupe”part I haven’t figured out.
 
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The 30 Remington was used in a rifle made be Remington of course. and as far as I know the browning 9mm Long was used in a Military type pistol . I remember a former neighbor showing me a rifle that used to belong to his father one day . it was either in that caliber or in 35 Remington ? it had this cool looking spiral mag and it might have been a pump ? I even remember a former co-worker wanted to display some old ammo . I told him it was illegal to display live ammo out in the open . so he got me to pull some rounds of 303 . broke my heart to do so . they were dated 1917 or 1918 . they had cordite in them . it felt terrible pulling those rounds apart . heck they are pretty much historical . they came from his father in-law's estate. EX RCMP so I understood .
 
The .30 Rem isn't bad, just not popular enough. The alternatives are better. I describe .30 Rem as a rimless .30-30. My father liked it enough to design a 6mm wildcat on the case. I think that a 30 calibre bullet was close to the case's upper limit, and necking down rebalances the pressure available to get better performance for smaller bullets. However, it is still overall smaller than a .243 Winchester and I think that was one of its downfalls.
 
Thanks. I appreciate the information. Unfortunately I don’t have any of those firearms to try it out in but I’ll never say no to someone who is cleaning house.
Cheers
 
That .30 Rem was originally known as the 30-30 Rem in 1906 if I remember correctly. Because it was confused with the 30-30 Win they changed the name to .30 Rem.
 
If you check Wikipedia out you can see that the 30 REM is the parent case for the 6.8SPC and the 224 Valkyrie.
I have a Remington mod8 in 35 Remington and that year I believe 1906 they also had the 30 and 25Rem.
The 35 was more popular. The advantage to these calibers was being able to use pointed projectiles because it was mag fed. I believe the Savage 99 was the first to offer a mag fed pointed bullet option in a lever action then the Browning designed FN1900 and later Remington 8 was the first Semi Auto commercially available.
Up until then only bolt actions were using the pointed bullet designs.
 
Here is a box of 30’s vintage .25 Remington.

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The .25, 30 and .32 Remington were Remington's proprietary cartridges designed to parallel the .25-35, .30-30 and .32Special Winchester rounds. Remington chambered their Model 8 and 14 rifles in these cartridges. Being autoloading and slide action respectively, the rimless cartridges made sense. When the rifles were discontinued, the cartridges became obsolescent. The .35 Remington, which is still popular, used a slightly larger diameter case head.
Perhaps the 9mm Browning Long is most often associated with the Model 1907 Swedish Browning service pistol. This is a blowback, rather than locked breech design.
 
I purchased a M14 Rem a few years back in 30 REM. Found a set of RCBS dies and shell holder. Loaded up a few cast rounds. I don't have much brass and am too "cheap" to shoot off the 3 boxes of Rem factory I have. This stuff sells for up to 50 bucks a box. See it once in a while at Switzer's auction.

These rifles were chambered in 25,30, 32 and 35 REM. The 35 is still a relatively common caliber. The others not so much so. There was also a carbine version. Really nice old rifles!
 
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Good ol'days

I believe SIR stood for Sydney Robertson company in Winnepeg which was sold to Cabelas and now Bass Pro.
I used to order stuff from there all the time and have some of their old catalogues.
SIR catalogs were one of the first hunting/outdoor shopping experience I had as a nimrod in the early 1970's. Along with Herter's! Great old time stuff, pre Gore-Tex and the computer world.Back in the days that Fudds roamed the woods:d, clad in Army Navy plaid shirts (made in Poland I seem to recall) and mil surplus baggy wool pants. Good times.
 
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