Somebody really needs to create an independent Canadian primer fab

steelgray said:
Nothing worthwhile is ever easy and yes, I have already started my own company. I'm sure that there is a reason why there are only 4 companies "producing primers" in the states, but I'm not sure it is a good reason. The reasons would be historic, and probably have ZERO to do with the economics of manufacturing primers in today's market - nor would this be any reflection of what technologies are available, today, to get into this business for different production levels.

Those companies are today's arrogant monopolists. They won't produce enough primers because they'd rather not cannibalize their very profitable ammo sales. That's good news because they really don't want to sell you a product that is in desperately low supply. That is the key to this opportunity (LINK).
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K so go do it. Get off CGN and go do it.
 
steelgray said:
Somebody really needs to create an independent Canadian primer fab
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Doors wide open, your first inline or are you betting on KFC ?
First million ?
Have you seen what a million buys in todays Canadian dollar?
But, I get it ..Delta 30 years ago placed a by-law in place that would not permit ammunition manufacturing within the community.
They outright had no idea as to how many people it would employ not to mention the Tax Dollars it would generate.
No rhyme or reason other than it was a Bad idea because ..... reasons.
Rob
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
. Good luck finding workers that will work for minimum wages, they make more on EI or welfare.
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Minimum wage in BC is $15.55. Welfare pays $935 to a person who is single without kids. That's only like 60 hours of work, you'd make more in two weeks at minimum wage then a month on welfare. Even once you factor taxes, minimum wage is going to be nearly double the take home in a month vs welfare. Welfare literally doesn't even cover rent for a 1 bedroom basement suite around here.
 
I like the fact that you are focusing on possibilities and bringing-up what you legitimately consider to be constraints.

An easy answer is to break-up the production process, so that the cups and anvils are produced in Renfrew or wherever - in any old rental. You maybe acquire and repurpose used stamping equipment and get employment grants for the metal fab operation. The addition of chemical compounds and final assembly - and packaging of the primers takes place in a much smaller, existing facility that already has explosive handling permits and - as noted - a small, existing footprint; say an annex to Marstar's existing warehouse.

And in case you are wondering, yes, I do know about this stuff.

alberta tactical rifle said:
Unlike a micro brewery where virtually any building would work and there are no stringent building requirements there are some REALLY big obstacles. PURCHASING land as it would be very unlikely to rent it or lease it given the application and then building a building that "might" be approved by NRCAN, IF you could find an MD or county that would entertain the idea of a "munitions manufacturer" would be a $3 to 5 million dollar touch, at least out here. Figuring on a 3000 sq ft building. Chances of finding an existing building that would be approved for the purpose by NRCAN would be extremely low, almost to the zero possibility.
Our current insurance which does NOT include ammo or components manufacturing runs north of $25K per year, I would expect that to at least triple. BTW Lloyds is the only insurance carrier that would even entertain an idea like this. I know, I asked around when we were looking to produce caseless ammo.

$25K goes absolutely no-where when it comes to automated punch machines to make the cups and anvils, closer to $150K I would think. Packaging machines are also not free. Good luck finding workers that will work for minimum wages, they make more on EI or welfare.

The assorted governments are of ZERO help in getting anything firearms related off the drawing board, I know as I have had to personally finance my operation from day 1.
Unlike manufacturers in the USA that are based in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming where grants seem to abound for any manufacturing. Even firearms and related parts.

I agree with you that NOTHING is impossible, but an undertaking like this would be a time consuming one to get off the ground and would require deeeeep pockets.
I agree it could turn a reasonable profit at least while demand is high and supply virtually non existent.

According to our Federal/CCI reps it will be at least another year until we start to see any normalization in primer supplies .
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Suther said:
Minimum wage in BC is $15.55. Welfare pays $935 to a person who is single without kids. That's only like 60 hours of work, you'd make more in two weeks at minimum wage then a month on welfare. Even once you factor taxes, minimum wage is going to be nearly double the take home in a month vs welfare. Welfare literally doesn't even cover rent for a 1 bedroom basement suite around here.
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I had no idea what welfare paid. Never been on it. Thanks for enlightening me.
 
no one in their right mind would start a firearms related business in canada let alone a reloading components???? a very small niche market within a small niche market...when canada was a rural country with a high percentage of hunters we did have manufacturers....you could order rifles from the sears catalogue ffs....those days are gone forever...country is way past the shidder, its rotting in the septic tank....
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
I had no idea what welfare paid. Never been on it. Thanks for enlightening me.
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I know nothing of Alberta's system, but I can't imagine they pay much more (if any). My wife is on disability, so during my broke-as-fk university student days I became pretty familiar with the welfare system because welfare and disability are run by the same people (at least here in BC) and it would be a rare month that they didn't #### something up.
 
steelgray said:
I like the fact that you are focusing on possibilities and bringing-up what you legitimately consider to be constraints.

An easy answer is to break-up the production process, so that the cups and anvils are produced in Renfrew or wherever - in any old rental. You maybe acquire and repurpose used stamping equipment and get employment grants for the metal fab operation. The addition of chemical compounds and final assembly - and packaging of the primers takes place in a much smaller, existing facility that already has explosive handling permits and - as noted - a small, existing footprint; say an annex to Marstar's existing warehouse.

And in case you are wondering, yes, I do know about this stuff.
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Less chat more action. You could have been one step closer to making us primers in the time it took you to write that. Chop chop, I want my SPPs. You have the rare opportunity to prove us all wrong and make us happy that you did!
 
steelgray said:
I have two business degrees, ... really.
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In a country that drives businesses into bankruptcy and overwhelms them with bureaucratic bull$hit aswell as driving them out of the country because they simply can’t afford to operate here……have at er!!!
Those business degrees should tell you this.
 
alberta tactical rifle said:
Unlike a micro brewery where virtually any building would work and there are no stringent building requirements there are some REALLY big obstacles. PURCHASING land as it would be very unlikely to rent it or lease it given the application and then building a building that "might" be approved by NRCAN, IF you could find an MD or county that would entertain the idea of a "munitions manufacturer" would be a $3 to 5 million dollar touch, at least out here. Figuring on a 3000 sq ft building. Chances of finding an existing building that would be approved for the purpose by NRCAN would be extremely low, almost to the zero possibility.
Our current insurance which does NOT include ammo or components manufacturing runs north of $25K per year, I would expect that to at least triple. BTW Lloyds is the only insurance carrier that would even entertain an idea like this. I know, I asked around when we were looking to produce caseless ammo.

$25K goes absolutely no-where when it comes to automated punch machines to make the cups and anvils, closer to $150K I would think. Packaging machines are also not free. Good luck finding workers that will work for minimum wages, they make more on EI or welfare.

The assorted governments are of ZERO help in getting anything firearms related off the drawing board, I know as I have had to personally finance my operation from day 1.
Unlike manufacturers in the USA that are based in Idaho, Montana and Wyoming where grants seem to abound for any manufacturing. Even firearms and related parts.

I agree with you that NOTHING is impossible, but an undertaking like this would be a time consuming one to get off the ground and would require deeeeep pockets.
I agree it could turn a reasonable profit at least while demand is high and supply virtually non existent.

According to our Federal/CCI reps it will be at least another year until we start to see any normalization in primer supplies .
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Perhaps some first nations businessmen could run with this. Their land , govt. grants for creating employment , possibly even for constructing the buildings....
 
May I make a suggestions? Instead of fully making the primer perhaps making the components all separate. The primer cup, the ignition component in small circular cutouts, and the anvil (three pronged part). Then a reloader could put them together as a kit. This is to avoid regulations of a full on primer factory and avoid red tape. For example you would need tons of paper to just build an ammunition factory but if you assemble your own rounds in your own garage that isn't illegal or needing any paper work at all.

However if you want to take on the dragon you could build all of this on native land and perhaps circumvent all regulations.... (this is only a guess but seeing here in BC they allow drug labs on the reserve and police do absolutely nothing about it).

A lot of mean comments with nothing to help the individual carry forward an idea.
If you manage to crack this problem you did it! You made yourself an instant millionaire. I believe thinking outside the box is what will make this work. If you look back in history many incredible ideas came from those being hated on or doubted into oblivion and those who made millions were called all sorts of things.
 
Start by making priming compound and sell it in separate components like tannerite. Lots of guys in the US using prime all. I'd buy a brick of unprimed primers and a component kit.
Antimony sulphide and potassium chlorate are the hardest parts to source.
 
CaribooBC said:
But I need SPP’s. I have lots of LRP’s. My wife is starting to shoot IPSC….. I need to keep her in 9mm ammo…
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People will be kicking down your door with buckets of small pistol primers if you put an ad up wanting to trade large rifle primers for them. Just sayin.
 
migrant hunter said:
Start by making priming compound and sell it in separate components like tannerite. Lots of guys in the US using prime all. I'd buy a brick of unprimed primers and a component kit.
Antimony sulphide and potassium chlorate are the hardest parts to source.
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Here are sources for Potassium CLorate and Antimony Sulfide. What else do I need to make them at home ?

h ttps://www.sciencecompany.com/Potassium-Chlorate-100g-P17365

h ttps://www.amazon.com/Antimony-Sulfide-Powder-Metals-Certified/dp/B00KB72B1S
 
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