Someone who has never hunted before

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We are living in an era where the amount of hunters is slowly decreasing. Those who do want to start hunting, especially being from major cities, have certain hurdles to overcome. These obstacles are a result of a lack of knowledge. I have some questions that if answered can clarify a lot for the newbies (like myself):

1) How long do people usually travel to hunt deer? Bear? Turkey? Is it normal for someone to drive for 10 hours just to hunt a deer? Is it normal for people to sleep overnight in their camp to hunt a deer or turkey?

2) How do you find private land to hunt on? Is there websites or landowners that are in the business of selling you the opportunity to hunt on their land? Is it worth purchasing?

3) How many acres of land is considered decent to hunt an animal on?

4) Any extra tips that people have, who remember the difficulties they began with, would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.
 
New hunter here. Started this year with trying to get turkey's and next will be deer. I've had zero success but the 60 acres I have to hunt has a lot of life on it all of the things I'm looking to hunt I just suck at it lol. One of the things I've had the hardest time finding is maps and info regarding crown land. In the USA many states have apps you can download that make it easier for that stuff but so far all I've found are the horrible government run website, that barely if ever functions right on my phone.
 
If you plan to travel 10 hours you are probably sleeping somewhere.

It all starts with buying land owner maps or finding crown land. Knock on doors, help farmers out.

Put out some trail cameras in areas you want to hunt. Forces you to get out and scout the area to check the land.

Or

Buy guided hunts, if ya got the cash it is a lot easier and a good way to learn
 
We are living in an era where the amount of hunters is slowly decreasing. Those who do want to start hunting, especially being from major cities, have certain hurdles to overcome. These obstacles are a result of a lack of knowledge. I have some questions that if answered can clarify a lot for the newbies (like myself):

1) How long do people usually travel to hunt deer? Bear? Turkey? Is it normal for someone to drive for 10 hours just to hunt a deer? Is it normal for people to sleep overnight in their camp to hunt a deer or turkey?

2) How do you find private land to hunt on? Is there websites or landowners that are in the business of selling you the opportunity to hunt on their land? Is it worth purchasing?

3) How many acres of land is considered decent to hunt an animal on?

4) Any extra tips that people have, who remember the difficulties they began with, would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

Excellent questions.

I’ll give my 2 cents in a bit, but off the top, I lend these books to every newbie in camp. Get ‘em.


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Come to sask and look me up. Lol. But i disagree with your statement that there is less hunters. The amount of hunters here has never been this high before, maybe per capita its lacking. Draw numbers are up and up every year
 
It's tough for newbies to get started....especially in SW Ontario.

You really have to get yourself out there and knock on doors, there are small pockets of "crown land" but most is privately owned.
And most landowners that have larger pieces of land, either hunt them themselves, or are anti hunting/hunters for a variety of reasons

Be ready for a lot of rejection, but you really need to put your best face on, like with an interview. Maybe have a resume, of your lifestyle and what you want to achieve through hunting that you can leave with landowners.

Join a gun club and get to know the members. Maybe you could get an invite out with them. Hunters tend to be a pretty fickle bunch, me included...it may take a few years to cultivate relationships, to get an invite. But it will be worth it when you work at it.

And to answer more specific questions....I am in London ON area, my closest hunting ground is 10 minutes away, but I also go North for the regular season deer hunt, which is a 6 hour drive. Also planning for a Moose hunt next year in the Wawa area....supposedly easier to get an adult tag there...12ish hour drive through the USA to get there.

Deer and turkeys are very plentiful in SW Ontario....just need to find the right habitat....food...water...bedding/trees (for turkeys)
 
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We are living in an era where the amount of hunters is slowly decreasing. Those who do want to start hunting, especially being from major cities, have certain hurdles to overcome. These obstacles are a result of a lack of knowledge. I have some questions that if answered can clarify a lot for the newbies (like myself):

1) How long do people usually travel to hunt deer? Bear? Turkey? Is it normal for someone to drive for 10 hours just to hunt a deer? Is it normal for people to sleep overnight in their camp to hunt a deer or turkey?

2) How do you find private land to hunt on? Is there websites or landowners that are in the business of selling you the opportunity to hunt on their land? Is it worth purchasing?

3) How many acres of land is considered decent to hunt an animal on?

4) Any extra tips that people have, who remember the difficulties they began with, would be greatly appreciated.

Thanks.

1. Really depends. There’s s decent deer hunting down your way. Chatham area anyway. The challenge is going to be number of hunters, and not a lot of bush lots to go around. You’re in a controlled hunt area where you need to apply to a lottery for a tag. You’ll be limited to shotguns and muzzle loaders for guns. If your gun hunting, you’re going to have a hard time doing anything solo. Your best bet will be to post a “newbie resume” up at the local range and start shaking hands and try to get yourself into a hunting gang. Many gangs are losing hunters to old age, and many are looking for new, safe, hunters to mentor. If joining a gang, remember that their little in-house rules have been in effect for decades, and you’ll have a hard time talking them into anything else. It’s their sandbox.

If you’re going to hunt solo, your likely going to be bow hunting. The season is 3 months long, and you’re not crowded into the bush with all the other orange pumpkins. Landowners are typically more open to bow hunters. Less noise, less lethal range, etc. just look for properties that would be convenient for an evening hunt after work or whatever, then put on a nice shirt, and go knock on some doors. Worst thing that can happen is they say no.

People do travel to deer hunt as well. But this is more than hunting. It’s a get away. Typically a week or more out in the bush in a cabin or trailers. There’s a lot of logistics involved (meals, shelter, outhouse, firewood, etc) I personally wouldn’t travel 10 hours to just hunt deer. But I would travel 10 hours to spend a week at deer camp (if that makes sense).

As for turkey, it’s a fairly long season with less concentrated pressure, so it’s easier to get permission. I happen to fly an aerial patrol over your area every week, and I can tell you there’s a metric sh*t-ton of gobblers in your area. Go get ‘em. People don’t typically travel as much for turkeys. Some do, but there’s not too many “turkey camps” out there. I believe “Hoyt” (a respected hunter and member here) drives 6 or so hours to hunt turkey.

2. Knock on doors. The GENERAL consensus is “don’t pay to play”. The fear being, that if Peter finds out that Paul is charging hunters for land access, then Peter will start charging too. Then Steve, then Bill, then Fernando... and so on. Traditionally, the promise of some meat has been sufficient. It would be good to hold that line. If a landowner wanted to charge, I would politely go elsewhere. They’re well within their rights to charge of course, so I mean them no ill will, but I feel it’s just another step toward the European game-keeper model.

3. Depends on how you hunt. Bow hunting from a tree stand, a couple acres may be all you need. If you’re running dogs, you’ll want a few hundred. More is better, but don’t be afraid to hunt a small parcel.

4. Patience. You’re joining a fraternity of guys that have been doing this for 50 years. Be willing to learn and absorb. And as the young pup, be prepared to do a disproportionate amount of the hoofing. Don’t be bitter about it... they were in the same boat when they were newbies.

And lastly, you’re gonna have “dumb” questions. Things you won’t ask because everyone else seems to know the answer intuitively, and you’re afraid of being judged. It’s always better to ask, but if you end up with a gang that are less apt to respectfully respond to such questions, feel free to PM me here, and I’ll do my best to help. Seriously. I’m more than happy to help someone who wants to ensure that our hunting heritage is passed on to the next generations.
 
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I too live in Windsor...I just got back from bow hunt for whitetail deer on Manitoulin Island. Its a 10 1/2 hr drive but thats what it takes for me to be able to hunt whitetails for the last six years. Living in SW Ontario you either need to know someone with land or be related to someone with land. The odds are few to none of either one.
Hopefully by this time next year I will be living there full time on my own acreage.
 
Oh, I forgot. OP, go here: https://www.ontario.ca/page/crown-land-use-policy-atlas

It’s the world’s least user friendly app, but it’s all we got. It’ll show you where federal and provincial public crown land is located.

Now, in addition to this, also search your municipal websites, or better yet call them. I know in my county, they’ve got a handy app that identifies all of the municipal public land here. Much of which you can hunt on. It’s mostly wee little bush lots that most folks assume are private land. Great for small game hunting.
 
To the OP: Spend time out there listening and really looking. Going on a hike or marching down a trail is not hunting. Whole different approach. Find a Rod and Gun Club or shooting range if there is one handy. Having limited hunting opportunity means you need to hone your craft whenever possible. Welcome aboard.
 
1) How long do people usually travel to hunt deer? Bear? Turkey? Is it normal for someone to drive for 10 hours just to hunt a deer? Is it normal for people to sleep overnight in their camp to hunt a deer or turkey?

If you see it as "just hunting a deer" then you are definitely not ready for a 10 hour trip.
 
Episode 96 of the meateater podcast specifically deals with gaining hunting permission from land owners. Might be worth a listen during your commute.
 
Norfolk County has an upland game program. The county releases upland birds in county owned fields. you need to have your hunting license as well
as a license from the county.
Just google Norfolk County hunting opportunities
 
Lots of knowledge out there... lots of BS too. Til you figure out which is which...double check things. You are lucky in that the device in the palm of your hand has pretty much the answer to any question you ask it.
Pont in case...aging meat. Look at federal guidelines on handling meat.
Another good 'un is which calibers are best for 'busting brush' ( no bullets are not deflected by twigs)...don't blindly follow advice from the old timers... and I am sorta an old timer, lol.
We drug lots of false rules from the olden days...double check our wisdom...lest it be BS. Just don't bust us on it to our face...not proper to serve us 'Old Balls' comeuppance to our faces. We get grumpy then.
And stay safe. Good luck too
 
I agree and disagree with the don't pay to play for land owners

Paying cash will make you both feel dirty

Pay in meat, labour, liquor or gift cards.

The way I've seen gift cards managed was "Here is a gift card for you take your wife out to dinner" Then she will remember you too :)
carra is good because it covers about 6 different restaurants

But you do this after the hunt with no expectations up front.
 
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