Something Bubbas are even ashamed of.

[smellie]

Actually, friend, I own the only copy of TBSA - 1909 which I have ever seen.

It was a gift from my range partner of the last 27 years, who passed away recently.

Recently, I was gifted (by a fellow canadiangunnut) with an older copy of Acrobat (my computer is about one stage more advanced than counting on your fingers), so I will be preparing my original TBSA - 1909 for electronic retrieval and putting it onto a CD in pdf format. I will let people know when this job is done by posting the info on this forum. I will need a special scanner for some of the charts and this is on order and should be here before the pension cheques at the end of the month, so I will be able to get at the job right away.

You will read it here first.

 

[TimC]

There are 3 areas that should be free of oil while firing: 1) the bolt face. 2) chamber, and 3) bore.

In the Army (UK) it is taught as preparring your weapon for firing, oddly enough insisted upon on range days but when in the field normal daily cleaning was enforced so all parts were oily to prevent rust so pressures would be up and point of impact different!
odd eh?

 

[bigedp51]

In the Army (UK) it is taught as preparring your weapon for firing, oddly enough insisted upon on range days but when in the field normal daily cleaning was enforced so all parts were oily to prevent rust so pressures would be up and point of impact different!
odd eh?

Those who do not read history are doomed to repeat it...................

Below the effects of excess bolt thrust and oil in the chamber.

 

[TimC]

I agree with what you wroye, I was pointing out that weapons get a good lube in the field (temperate climates) which includes the bore.
I knew of noone who oiled there ammo before firing, a dry wipe was what we were taught before loading the magazine.
In fact the target shots used to get berated by the SQMSI of the SASC for leaving ammo on the point in the rain. He claimed it meant higher pressures or extra work wiping it dry which interferred with their routine as gravelbellies.

 

[DANCESWITHEMPTIES]

Hatcher's notebook.... Oops!!!

 

[Claven2]

Hatcher's notebook says a lot about these, but here's some food or thought. The low number guns were not all too brittle - in those days heat treating was done "by eye". Often the result was still satisfactory, but sometimes not.

The Marine corps continued to use many of their 1903's until the end of WW2, including their vast supplies of low numbered ones. Few, if any, failed during that time. It has been surmised that most of the bad apples had shown themselves in WW1 and the 20's.

Hatcher himself states most failures were attributed to either bad ammo or even 8mm ammo being fired in the brittle guns which ultimately caused them to fail.

Would I shoot one? Perhaps or perhaps not depending on several factors including Marine corps provenance. That being said, I have lots of guns in nice shape that I don't shoot - not because I'm scared to, but because I have a lot of guns. I certainly wouldn't mind a low numbered 1903 in nice shape being among them.

 

[DANCESWITHEMPTIES]

Claven has put it better than my post. If the shooter so chooses to shoot a low serial numbered 03 rifle. He/ she should do it knowing the past problems. Many have argued to me on this site not to shoot these rifles at anytime. IMO this is not an absolute. I would suggest that anyone contemplating shooting any older firearm to either strip it down and inspect it or send it to a competent smith for evaluation.

 

[cantom]

Hahaha...great post Ed.

Love the Red Green at the bottom. Kind of like the Queen's Royal Wave. (tm)

Very informative thread!

 

[MapleSugar]

I'm curious if the pressures would be higher in a chamber that has been chromed, or plated with NP3.

Since NP3 is a slippery coating of electroless nickel and Teflon, I wonder if it would create the same scenario as an oily chamber?

 

[bigedp51]

I'm curious if the pressures would be higher in a chamber that has been chromed, or plated with NP3.

Since NP3 is a slippery coating of electroless nickel and Teflon, I wonder if it would create the same scenario as an oily chamber?

The firearms companies who chrome plate the chambers and bores have test equipment to test for bolt thrust. The American M16/A4 have chrome chambers and the U.S. Army tells its troops to NOT oil their ammunition because it causes excessive bolt thrust.

What you have to worry about is all the "experts" in gun forums that tell you its OK to lube your ammo for fire forming or normal shooting.

ANYONE who tells you it OK to lube your ammo should be shot with a dull bullet, be drawn and quartered and have his library card revoked.

ANY lube or oil in your chamber is like a hydroplaning tire in the rain, it can't grip the road and the tire-cartridge case slams into the bolt face.

Below, a dry chamber getting kicked in the groin.

Below, a oiled chamber getting kicked in the groin.

A dry oil free chamber gives you protection.

Enfield bolt head over rotation is caused by excess bolt thrust.

Go ahead and grease or oil your chamber and ammo.

How do you say broke-#### bolt in Canadian hoser.

 

[cantom]

Hey Ed...take off eh? We don't really talk like that eh?