Something different. A Canadian M72 Law made in Canada by CCM in 1968

[wrangler4867]

I don’t think there is any case law to definitely say what is deactivated, and what is not. Absent a definition, the burden of proof would on the crown to show your former firearm is not reasonably deactivated. There is a presumption of innocence to overcome in such a case.

My bet is the crown would settle out of court as they do not want definitive precedent in this space. Very likely the courts would allow a lower standard than rcmp recommends, if the firearm that prompts the case is truly rendered unusable.

IF they are determined to win a case, (for whatever reason) they will send it to the lab where and experienced machinist with a full machine shop and access to parts will eventually get it working.

There is no definition (to the best of my knowledge) as to the degree of difficulty required to reactivate a firearm in order to class it as deactivated..

 

[Claven2]

IF they are determined to win a case, (for whatever reason) they will send it to the lab where and experienced machinist with a full machine shop and access to parts will eventually get it working.

There is no definition (to the best of my knowledge) as to the degree of difficulty required to reactivate a firearm in order to class it as deactivated..

Even then, they would need to disclose what they did.

Frankly any gun deactivated to the rcmp standard can be reactivated. Period. If you work at it and can weld, machine, heat treat, etc it can be done. It’s just really hard and time consuming to do. Which is the point.

 

[xmp]

Current Canadian issue M72A5 C1. Rubber end caps provide better seal for storage. Picatinny rails on both sides for optical or laser sights.





Typical rocket.


M72s can ONLY be effectivly reloaded at the factory. But the tubes and inert rockets look scary so the police and media love them when they put on the Perp Show of seized evil weapons.

 

[call2arms]

Apparently the FRT is not law either, but judges and the police across Canada quote it in court all the time to their advantage.

FRT=not legitimate
RCMP guidelines=not legitimate
Canadian courts=not legitimate it would seem

 

[Aestus]

You would be looking at a Demil Certificate done at an ammo compound which has the Ammo Tech who completed the work plus the reference to the pub/work order/etc for the Demil standard.

And to prevent a potential EOD call in the event someone who doesn't know what the item is:
1. The safe to handle tag (literally a sticker with an AT signature on it) signed off on a piece of paper (or on the item);
2. A very small info packet explaining what the item is and how it was determined to be safe (inert) which also gets signed off; and
3. Serial number which matches the info packet and INERT engraved on it.

The only thing done to render M72's inert when turned into training aids is to drill the holes into them and to snap the cocking mechanism so it can't function. Anything for disposal winds up being smashed against steel bins and promptly tossed in as salvage/garbage.

 

[maifire]

It was identified as a LAAW when i did my qual. (-anti-armour). Fun as hell. I had no idea that they were made here once upon a time.
What’s next? Someone going to say that we made a bullpup or ultra-modern interceptor jet?

 

[maple_leaf_eh]

Even then, they would need to disclose what they did.

Frankly any gun deactivated to the rcmp standard can be reactivated. Period. If you work at it and can weld, machine, heat treat, etc it can be done. It’s just really hard and time consuming to do. Which is the point.

The case went to the Supreme Court. Mr Hasselwinder had a deactivated UZI, IIRC. The case hinged on "easily" convertible, which as I understand the interpretation, means 40-hours with ordinary hand tools. A bill-by-the-hour commercial shop with horizontal and vertical milling machines, drill presses, lathes, cabinets and drawers of cutters and bits, and six kinds of welders would exceed the interpretation of ordinary.

https://decisions.scc-csc.ca/scc-csc/scc-csc/en/item/1007/index.do

 

[Claven2]

In well under 40 hours I could build a full auto sten with normal hand tools. Just saying.

 

[bigbobmk2]

In well under 40 hours I could build a full auto sten with normal hand tools. Just saying.

And with a trip to home depot and 30-60 minutes of my time i could build a shotgun with what i can find in the plumbing section. Gun control is a farce.

 

[b-wingpilot]

Ok, coming from the mouth of a buyback participant (me).

I got paid.

I did a second submission right at the end, waiting for that, thus my theory.

Why would you participate in the buyback

 

[Bulletguy59]

I’m ignorant to the answer, but is a LAW 72 reloadable?

No, it was intended for a single use, then discarded. However, during my 35+ yrs in the Ammo world, I have modified hundreds of fired launchers to Dummy versions....additionally, in the late 90's and up to 2010 or so, we would modify fired launchers to adapt the 21mm Sub Cal...problem was the inconsistency of the firing pin travel....firing pins would fairly strike the primer of the sub cal rocket...but not sufficiently to initiate. After the Safety Wait Time, users would reload the sub cal rocket into a different launcher and fire with success.

 

[Bulletguy59]

I going to guess that this launcher was made in 1968. In the 1970s there was a version with C-7 as the model number. About 15 years ago a practice 66mm rocket was recovered on the old rocket range at CFB Borden but no record of a practice rocket could be found.

 

[Bulletguy59]

I going to guess that this launcher was made in 1968. In the 1970s there was a version with C-7 as the model number. About 15 years ago a practice 66mm rocket was recovered on the old rocket range at CFB Borden but no record of a practice rocket could be found.

The version pictured

I guess maybe, so long as it was done to RCMP approved rocket launcher deactivation guidelines by a RCMP approved gunsmith as per their firearm deactivation requirement statement and you can prove such.

Here is a Canadian forces video on the M72 using a Army deactivated one with the multiple .50 sized drill holes through the tube -

This is a Dummy version...clearly identified by the Gold band....the holes are drilled in the rear to prevent users from trying to adapt their own sub cal version....and believe me....many tried !

 

[Bulletguy59]

No need for a lawsuit. Go to has deemed these prohibited. They were part of the business buyback. $1100 a tube.

We now actually go a little farther for the destruction process.....firing pin extension is severed allowing the aluminum rear portion to separate from the fiber glass forward assembly, the aluminum tube is retained for recyling, remainder may be crushed or cut in half.

 

[Claven2]

FRT=not legitimate
RCMP guidelines=not legitimate
Canadian courts=not legitimate it would seem

The courts get final say and are legitimate in terms of the outcome they inflict on you.

By the rcmp guidelines, you would need to bring your dewats to the gunsmith every 6 months to have increasingly more work done to make them compliant.

No court will sanction that view.