Sound of Silence... Surefire Suppressors!

This should be challenged in court as an infringement of Section 7 of the Charter of Rights and Freedom: the right to life, liberty and security of the person. There is the right to security of the person, which consists of rights to privacy of the body and its health.

In Chaoulli v Quebec (AG) (2005), the majority of Supreme Court justices declared Quebec's ban on private health care to breach security of the person, since delays in medical treatment can result in serious physical pain, or even death.

I would see a strong argument that prohibiting suppressors in Canada negatively affects one's health (mainly hearing loss).
 
kthomas said:
Personally I think it could be pretty feasible to get suppressors allowed in Canada. We are one of the very few western first world countries that don't allow them on any level. It just has to be done smartly.
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The only feasible way is a legal challenge in court against the federal gov
Who has the spare cash for this?
A well organised and sponsored petition was forwarded to the gov last year and got thrown out immediately

The canadian gov is anally retentive about poaching and criminal access to sound mods

A court case is the only way now
 
German government was strictly against suppressors, regarded suppressors as tools of gangsters/spies/poachers etc. Even the majority of more traditional hunters were against suppressors. It took about ten years of pushing, educating and court cases to change the mindset. The law changed and selling like hotcakes now in Germany. In Ireland we have been using suppressors for some time and I very rarely shoot without. For whatever reasons everything in Europe seems much more expensive as in the states except for suppressors which retail around 300 Euro, US prices I saw seemed much higher.
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colt45cz75 said:
Suppressors are illegal because people who should know better believe everything they see in the movies and on tv where a firearm is involved.For example, that they are primarily the tools of assassins and organized crime. Also, we have nitwits who think there will be a rash of poachers out shooting everything they can because the gun is silent. It's all a pack of lies, but we're stuck with it,unfortunately.
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Lieberal logic: Hmm, this means we should ban bows and arrows and spears.

more Lieberal logic: Hmm, if the sound bothers you maybe you should do something else instead. In fact, for your own health we prohibit shooting as it places greater demand on the healthcare system. (like having gerbils extracted from ones rectum doesn't clog up wait lists...but you know... who are we to stifle anyone's "lifestyle" choice)

I would love to own mufflers for my guns, (I'd love even more to see the resurgence in intelligence required in the population that would see them legal again) but if there was a special discouragement tax on purchases, I'd just have a machinist build them for me...
 
kombayotch said:
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Yup, glad I moved to a place that has more reasonable gun laws.

Don't see the appeal of Surefire cans though. They're loud AF! The only one that's "hearing safe" is the SOCOM 300 SPS (on a 300 Blackout).
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Think your off on that assessment

5.56 MM SUPPRESSORS—AVERAGE MAXIMUM SOUND PRESSURE LEVEL (DB)
Barrel & Firearm MICRO MINI FA556-212 FA556SA
20.0 inch M16A4 137 137 133 133
16.0 inch MRP 139 137 135 135
14.5 inch M4 141 138 135 135
10.5 inch CQBR 148 141 137 137
Ammunition: M855


gadget
 
Right there with you Forest1488. But one day gun owners will get to fix "stupid" (government). When we ALL stand together in Ottawa at the parliament building shouting "we have rights too"!
 
remyltr said:
The only feasible way is a legal challenge in court against the federal gov
Who has the spare cash for this?
A well organised and sponsored petition was forwarded to the gov last year and got thrown out immediately

The canadian gov is anally retentive about poaching and criminal access to sound mods

A court case is the only way now
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Crowd source?
 
gadget said:
Think your off on that assessment

5.56 MM SUPPRESSORS—AVERAGE MAXIMUM SOUND PRESSURE LEVEL (DB)
Barrel & Firearm MICRO MINI FA556-212 FA556SA
20.0 inch M16A4 137 137 133 133
16.0 inch MRP 139 137 135 135
14.5 inch M4 141 138 135 135
10.5 inch CQBR 148 141 137 137
Ammunition: M855


gadget
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Given that I hear them in person every weekend at the range, I'm quite sure that I'm not...

Also, numbers a meter left/right of the muzzle are utterly useless. The numbers at the ear are what matters when you're the shooter. Watch the Military Arms Channel sound tests down range with different suppressors and unsuppressed. Makes no difference down range.

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143.8 at the ear (above hearing safe!)

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143.6 at the ear (above hearing safe!)

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134.0 at the ear with the 22 cal endcap (the anchor brake re-directs a lot of noise back to the shooter - like any brake)

In person it's a VERY noticeable difference.
 
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Jay said:
Literally the ONLY piece of safety equipment that's illegal in Canada!

So frustrating.
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Was hunting in Sweden in November. IPSC shooter showed me the can on his AR with a thirty round mag; at the hunt. All perfectly legal. He did not hunt with it, just wanted to share. Told him, in Canada we would both be charged and arrested. Looked at me like I had two heads. Number of firearms posessed by an individual are limited by the law however. Limits vary; ie. professional hunter versus sport shooter. Just a little perspective.
 
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