Source for Lee-Enfield stripper clips?
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"...Mad Minute..." Great fun but you need an understanding range and somebody to time it. The rifle will get HOT and your shoulder won't be the same for hours, at least.
Gunparts, Stateside. $1.45US each. Try Epp's and gun shows first. $25.00US export handling fee through Gunparts.
You'd think they'd be more common, but they aren't. Mind you, they haven't been used here since Korea. Never saw 'em while commanding a CF Army Cadet Corps, long ago.
Gunparts, Stateside. $1.45US each. Try Epp's and gun shows first. $25.00US export handling fee through Gunparts.
You'd think they'd be more common, but they aren't. Mind you, they haven't been used here since Korea. Never saw 'em while commanding a CF Army Cadet Corps, long ago.
Much appreciated!
Chargers
Try some of the local gun shows. There are usually quite a few available.
By the way, they are called "Chargers", not stripper clips.
There is a proper way to load them, so that the cartridges will not jam. If you load them wrong, the rim of one will go behind the lower one, and when you close the bolt, you will be trying to push two into the chamber at once.
The sequence is: down/up/down/up/down.
That is, the first round goes flush against the back of the charger, the next one inserted has the rim go OVER the rim of the first one, the third one is down flush again, the fourth one is up in front of the rim of the third one, and the fifth one goes down flush again with the back of the charger.
When you are shooting the mad minute, you can save time by pushing the rounds into the magazine with your thumb, then leave the charger in place. When you close the bolt, the charger will be kicked out of the guide.
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Try some of the local gun shows. There are usually quite a few available.
By the way, they are called "Chargers", not stripper clips.
There is a proper way to load them, so that the cartridges will not jam. If you load them wrong, the rim of one will go behind the lower one, and when you close the bolt, you will be trying to push two into the chamber at once.
The sequence is: down/up/down/up/down.
That is, the first round goes flush against the back of the charger, the next one inserted has the rim go OVER the rim of the first one, the third one is down flush again, the fourth one is up in front of the rim of the third one, and the fifth one goes down flush again with the back of the charger.
When you are shooting the mad minute, you can save time by pushing the rounds into the magazine with your thumb, then leave the charger in place. When you close the bolt, the charger will be kicked out of the guide.
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Local gun shows are your best bet, the chargers tend to be ample at them. buffdog has some excellent advice. Also, I suggest doing the "load 10, shoot 5, load 5, shoot 5, load 5, shoot 10" method. That might help you.
Mad Minute
DRACHENBLUT has given you one method to shoot the mad minute.
I prefer another method. Load 10, shoot 10. Load 5, shoot 5 then load 5 and shoot the last 5.
The reason I prefer this method is that for me it seems a bit easier to load. The spring pressure with an empty magazine is less, and you can push the charger out with the bolt.
Also, if a sling is allowed, use it. It will keep your rifle supported when you are loading.
There is a method of using a sling that is not taught much any more. You need a sling swivel on the front action screw. Parker Hale made them, and you can find one fairly easy on e-bay.
First you hook the sling throught the front sling loop in the normal fashion. Then holding the rifle level, with the sling hanging down from the front, you then give the sling ONE HALF TURN TO THE LEFT, and connect it to the swivel at the front action screw.
When you go to use the sling, holding the rifle in your right hand at the wrist of the butt stock, you give the rifle a rotational swing to the RIGHT. The sling then follows the direction of the rifle to the right. You then rotate the rifle to the left with a bit of a snap causing the sling to reverse direction and go to the left. As the sling is moving to the left, you stick out your left hand and point it across your body to the right, the arm going through the moving loop in the sling. The sling then is brought up onto the upper arm, and your left hand goes forward under the sling and grasps the forestock.
Now this sounds complicated, but after you try it a few times, you will get the hang of it. This can also be performed in the prone position by raising the rifle to about 45 degrees.
Why, you may ask. The one half left turn puts a twist in the sling. The sling will then lie flat on your left arm, instead of on edge.
On my target rifle, I also altered the trigger guard/floorplate and the sling swivels.. I made it so that you could use the sling swivels from a Number 1 rifle. The No.1 rifle sling swivels are made longer on one side than the other. By putting the longer side to the left, not as much pressure is applied to the rifle by the sling, with a lot less chance of canting the rifle to the right due to the sling pressure causing the rifle to twist to the right.
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DRACHENBLUT has given you one method to shoot the mad minute.
I prefer another method. Load 10, shoot 10. Load 5, shoot 5 then load 5 and shoot the last 5.
The reason I prefer this method is that for me it seems a bit easier to load. The spring pressure with an empty magazine is less, and you can push the charger out with the bolt.
Also, if a sling is allowed, use it. It will keep your rifle supported when you are loading.
There is a method of using a sling that is not taught much any more. You need a sling swivel on the front action screw. Parker Hale made them, and you can find one fairly easy on e-bay.
First you hook the sling throught the front sling loop in the normal fashion. Then holding the rifle level, with the sling hanging down from the front, you then give the sling ONE HALF TURN TO THE LEFT, and connect it to the swivel at the front action screw.
When you go to use the sling, holding the rifle in your right hand at the wrist of the butt stock, you give the rifle a rotational swing to the RIGHT. The sling then follows the direction of the rifle to the right. You then rotate the rifle to the left with a bit of a snap causing the sling to reverse direction and go to the left. As the sling is moving to the left, you stick out your left hand and point it across your body to the right, the arm going through the moving loop in the sling. The sling then is brought up onto the upper arm, and your left hand goes forward under the sling and grasps the forestock.
Now this sounds complicated, but after you try it a few times, you will get the hang of it. This can also be performed in the prone position by raising the rifle to about 45 degrees.
Why, you may ask. The one half left turn puts a twist in the sling. The sling will then lie flat on your left arm, instead of on edge.
On my target rifle, I also altered the trigger guard/floorplate and the sling swivels.. I made it so that you could use the sling swivels from a Number 1 rifle. The No.1 rifle sling swivels are made longer on one side than the other. By putting the longer side to the left, not as much pressure is applied to the rifle by the sling, with a lot less chance of canting the rifle to the right due to the sling pressure causing the rifle to twist to the right.
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Charger loading diagram is here. http://www.enfieldrifles.ca/ti20.htm
"...ebay sells them..." They sell nothing. People who want to give money to the people who don't think you should be allowed to own any firearms buy and sell on E-Bay. E-Bay is an evil anti-firearms ownership empire.
"...method to shoot the mad minute..." There's only one. As many aimed rounds as you can in a timed minute. Of course, loading 10 every time will slow you down unless you practice loading. Make some DP cartridges.
"...ebay sells them..." They sell nothing. People who want to give money to the people who don't think you should be allowed to own any firearms buy and sell on E-Bay. E-Bay is an evil anti-firearms ownership empire.
"...method to shoot the mad minute..." There's only one. As many aimed rounds as you can in a timed minute. Of course, loading 10 every time will slow you down unless you practice loading. Make some DP cartridges.
I notice that everybody is talking about the Minute as if it were a contest to see how much ammo you can blast away. As originally brought out, it was anything but.
I have here the Canadian course of Musketry as it was in 1915. The course for 1 minute rapid fire was limited to 15 rounds, but you had to HIT with them, too. Fifteen in a minute was the standard and you got extra pay if you put all 15 where they were supposed to go. Scaring the gophers in the next township didn't count.
After making qualification, of course, extra rounds could be issued, and often were, for practice.
If a guy really WANTED to beat the all-time record (67 rounds in 60 seconds), he would need 14 chargers..... or a mere dozen if he started with the mag full (the way it was done). That 67 was for rate of fire only. Same guy did 37 ON the taget, time after time.
Chargers are available from Trade-Ex (tan button at the top of the page), 4 bucks for 5. For best feeding, polish the insides of the lips with Crocus cloth and a bit of oil: really slicks things up.
One thing I will say is this: anything over 15 without a LONG break is really rough on the rifle. I did the 15 once, just to say I had done it, used a 1907 Mark I* * * and 1944 DI-Z ammo. I was only at 175, but I used a reduced-size target to compensate. All in the black, which is more a tribute the the rifle than to myself.
If you can do it, I'll even get you a bottle of Tic-Tacs! Should be some around here, you know....
I have here the Canadian course of Musketry as it was in 1915. The course for 1 minute rapid fire was limited to 15 rounds, but you had to HIT with them, too. Fifteen in a minute was the standard and you got extra pay if you put all 15 where they were supposed to go. Scaring the gophers in the next township didn't count.
After making qualification, of course, extra rounds could be issued, and often were, for practice.
If a guy really WANTED to beat the all-time record (67 rounds in 60 seconds), he would need 14 chargers..... or a mere dozen if he started with the mag full (the way it was done). That 67 was for rate of fire only. Same guy did 37 ON the taget, time after time.
Chargers are available from Trade-Ex (tan button at the top of the page), 4 bucks for 5. For best feeding, polish the insides of the lips with Crocus cloth and a bit of oil: really slicks things up.
One thing I will say is this: anything over 15 without a LONG break is really rough on the rifle. I did the 15 once, just to say I had done it, used a 1907 Mark I* * * and 1944 DI-Z ammo. I was only at 175, but I used a reduced-size target to compensate. All in the black, which is more a tribute the the rifle than to myself.
If you can do it, I'll even get you a bottle of Tic-Tacs! Should be some around here, you know....
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As a kid I had a job one summer picking up brass and chargers in the grass after the matches. I filled garbage cans full of clips. I never could of imagined that those clips could be worth $1.00 each one day...
Funny thing I should have mentioned.
When I was running the newspaper in Newfoundland, my range buddy was Jack Snow, who had papers to prove that he had been killed in action at Monchy-le-Preuex in April of 1917.
One day, Jack brought a big bag of wartime and pre-war .303 to the office and left it off for me. He wanted 15 drill rounds so he could teach his son (who was over 50!) exactly how to USE the rifle he would inherit. The rifle was a (spare) Newfoundland-marked SMLE which Jack had got from the Armourer in swap for a bottle of rum (for assistance in removing the butt) just before the regiment came home, following the March into Cologne.
Needless to say, I made him up his drill rounds!
When I was running the newspaper in Newfoundland, my range buddy was Jack Snow, who had papers to prove that he had been killed in action at Monchy-le-Preuex in April of 1917.
One day, Jack brought a big bag of wartime and pre-war .303 to the office and left it off for me. He wanted 15 drill rounds so he could teach his son (who was over 50!) exactly how to USE the rifle he would inherit. The rifle was a (spare) Newfoundland-marked SMLE which Jack had got from the Armourer in swap for a bottle of rum (for assistance in removing the butt) just before the regiment came home, following the March into Cologne.
Needless to say, I made him up his drill rounds!
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