SP-01 not legal for IDPA

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I love shooting the SP-01, however even though its stock, even though its carried, and even though it makes the required wieght, I am told that it can not be used in ESP as it is !

I have no Idea why, maybe because Angus Hobdell kicked everyones ass with it, IDPA had to find a reason not to shoot it..

Now to be serious, I have no reason why its not or I can not find it in the IDPA rules why its not ok, its only 41.6 oz and IDPA rules for ESP claims 43 to be the max.

Can anyone please tell me where teh rule states this and why this gun is not legal, I know it has a full lenght dust cover, but so does a glock, and MP-9!!!

Seems like this gun is being picked on by IDPA for some reason..

It can be modified to shave 2 oz off the wieght and make 39 oz just by changing the grips and hammer.

It just does not seem right! to mod.. a gun to shoot ESP when the rules are so unclear
 
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Full length dust covers are not legal in ESP. The only way to make the SP-01 legal is make it light enough for SSP and then you can shoot it in ESP.

Weird huh!? But that is how it works.

Have you actually weighed it with an empty mag?
 
Shadow is kid of Hobdell and Tyc.
Both are shooting IPSC for CZ in Production.
I don't know if they put IDPA rules in consideration?

JAson, come and shoot IPSC with it, great game too :)
and no restriction.
 
JasonYuke said:
I love shooting the SP-01, however even though its stock, even though its carried, and even though it makes the required wieght, I am told that it can not be used in ESP as it is !

I have no Idea why, maybe because Angus Hobdell kicked everyones ass with it, IDPA had to find a reason not to shoot it..

Now to be serious, I have no reason why its not or I can not find it in the IDPA rules why its not ok, its only 41.6 oz and IDPA rules for ESP claims 43 to be the max.

Can anyone please tell me where teh rule states this and why this gun is not legal, I know it has a full lenght dust cover, but so does a glock, and MP-9!!!

Seems like this gun is being picked on by IDPA for some reason..

It can be modified to shave 2 oz off the wieght and make 39 oz just by changing the grips and hammer.

It just does not seem right! to mod.. a gun to shoot ESP when the rules are so unclear
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Hey Jason,

Everything I have read online states that it needs to be lighter to be legal in IDPA. Now I can see why they say that for SSP but doesn't this gun also fit in ESP? It should make weight for ESP.

Most of the internet states the following..

"The stock Sp 01 is a liitle too heavy for IDPA (can't be over 39 ounces with an empty mag) I got mine to 38.6 oz. by switching to the plastic grips and using the 10 rounds mags. With the 18 rounders mine is exactly 39oz.
If you are just shooting a local club match I don't think there would be much of a problem with a gun that's a little over weight though. "

Now I realise why you beat me, you were cheating! :D
 
Well, it has a full dust cover, and the regular CZ-75/85 does not. ie. Designed to take weight advantage compare to other pistols.

SP01 was designed to be IPSC production legal, meanwhile in IDPA rules it states that no full dust cover for ESP.
 
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I love shooting the SP-01, however even though its stock, even though its carried, and even though it makes the required wieght, I am told that it can not be used in ESP as it is !

I have no Idea why, maybe because Angus Hobdell kicked everyones ass with it, IDPA had to find a reason not to shoot it..

Now to be serious, I have no reason why its not or I can not find it in the IDPA rules why its not ok, its only 41.6 oz and IDPA rules for ESP claims 43 to be the max.

Can anyone please tell me where teh rule states this and why this gun is not legal, I know it has a full lenght dust cover, but so does a glock, and MP-9!!!

Seems like this gun is being picked on by IDPA for some reason..

It can be modified to shave 2 oz off the wieght and make 39 oz just by changing the grips and hammer. ]

It just does not seem right! to mod.. a gun to shoot ESP when the rules are so unclear
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Jason the rules are very clear. As John has pointed out in order for a gun with a full dust cover to be legal in ESP it must meet all the requirements of SSP and in your guns case it doesn't due to it's weight. Page 22 of the rule book specifically excludes full length dust covers for ESP. The rule book also states on page 21 that any pistol approved for SSP may also be used in ESP. If your gun is approved for SSP it then could be used in ESP. SSP has a weight limit of 39 oz. Your gun weighs more therefore it cannot be used in SSP and since it is not approved in SSP it cannot be used in ESP.

The gun is not being picked on by IDPA, it applies to all pistols with full length dustcovers.

Not sure how the rules could be any clearer but there you are. Reduce the guns weight, if you can to 39 oz or less and you are good to go in both divisions.

Take Care

Bob Bonenfant
 
Thanks Bob, The way it read and to a number of us was a bit unclear!

So if!!! per say the gun did not have a dust cover than it could be 43 oz but since it does it needs to wieght 39 oz.

I guess since the wieght is all forward in the dust cover, the recoil jump would be reduced.

THE ONLY THING THAT IS KIND OF FUNNY ABOUT THE WHOLE THING: is all the modifications to reduce the wieght which is a piece of cake talking to the right people, and for 60 bucks its done! But all the wieght mods that are allowed or done at the opposite end of the gun!!!! I accept the rules as they are but its kinda silly.

Thanks for your explanation, sometimes rules for a first time IDPA shooters are not understood as well as someone who has been in the sport for a while, and it was just not me, most of the members that shoot IDPA with did not understand it.

We were not looking at the gun as it was to meet SSP, but classified ESP I see now. The wieght thing was throwing a loop into it for us.

Thank you
 
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What a gentleman!

That Bob, he's a gentleman and a scholar....too bad there's only the two of us left:D

Except that his eyes are going and he can't tell the difference between stoppin' and movin' REAL SLLLLOOOWWWWWWWWW:)
 
Shadow

JasonYuke said:
No John I have not.

Do you know anyone that has to see the actual wieght.

Spec said 41.6 oz
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Jason,
I want to buy Shadow and I was looking at the specs. It weighs 1180g which converts to 41.623oz.

I am thinking that if it was weighed with a 17r mag the weight difference to a 10r might be enough.;)

You just might want to weigh your gun before you do any changes...I know I will:)

What do you think?
 
John the great news is I have a set of light weight grips, and yes you are right the gun spec was 41.6 for the SP-01 USA wieght for high cap mags, our mags will be lighter from the springs not by much but they are.

Also john I just weighted the grips the rubber ones are a whopping 1.7 oz I will weight the gun as is with an empty mag and let you know!

Best regards
 
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