speaking of Partition bullets....
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Eagleye said:Why bother if you already have a good load with a Partition?
Eagleye.
I only asked because "mylesrom" suggested A frames for moose, and as I have never seen any in .308, I wondered what factory loads had them.
I guess he didn't see the original post asking about FACTORY loads.
The A-Frames are "bonded" in that their cores are soldered to the copper jacket.
While this does result in more retained weight - a terminal result that is over-rated BTW - they do produce a larger diameter when full expanded than do the Partitions. With all else being equal they generally penetrate less than Partitions.
They are a great bullet for guys that shoot big animals at under 100 feet with their 500 yard rifles.
While this does result in more retained weight - a terminal result that is over-rated BTW - they do produce a larger diameter when full expanded than do the Partitions. With all else being equal they generally penetrate less than Partitions.
They are a great bullet for guys that shoot big animals at under 100 feet with their 500 yard rifles.
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I have seen animals shot with all classes of "premium" bullets. They all die just the same as the ones shot with ordinary factory loads. Moose are not real hard to kill, it just takes them a while to realize that something is terribly wron...g.
Any decent hunting bullets put into the vital zone will kill any game animal that you are likely to find. The arms race3 for theoretically superior bullets just puts money in the pockets of the people making and selling them. While a $2.00 bullet may do better on all sorts of "tests", the Hornadies and sierras that I load have never let me down when I did my part.
Any decent hunting bullets put into the vital zone will kill any game animal that you are likely to find. The arms race3 for theoretically superior bullets just puts money in the pockets of the people making and selling them. While a $2.00 bullet may do better on all sorts of "tests", the Hornadies and sierras that I load have never let me down when I did my part.
popcan said:
Remington puts out the A-Frame, but I handload mine.
Federal puts out a lot of premium loads, in Nosler Partitions, Trophy bonded, TSXs or MRXs.
To each there own, I like premium bullets, I personally don't believe that is the place to save a few bucks on a hunt. I personally seen two Hornady Interlocks blow apart on a deer this year, yes the deer died, but its still poor bullet performance. Both stopped on the far rib cage. And I won't use anything less than at least a Partition/Accubond for deer. For example 50 rounds of A-Frames are 55 to 60 bucks and will last me a lifetime of Moose or Elk hunts. But use whatever you like.
If I am going to spend the hours of cleaning, trimming and reloading, I personally won't waste the time reloading cheap bullets.
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mylesrom said:
X2: I had a 140 grain Hornady Interlock come completely apart on the rib of a nice whitetail buck at about 80 yards (270 Winchester, 3000 fps MV) there was no penetration into the cavity, and the only reason I did not lose him was he was a bit confused by the wound and tried to hide in a few willows and I was able to give him another. The second one missed the Rib on the entry, and made a big mess of the lungs, but did not exit. There were some jacket fragments in the ribcage on the opposite side from the second shot, but no substantial piece was recoverable. That cured me from using those bullets at anything over about 2500 fps. I have been using mostly premium bullets for nigh to 45 years now, and have always been happy with the results. I call it "insurance", cheap insurance at that. Regards, Eagleye.
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None of these bullerts are so'called premiums, but they they are accurate in the rifles that I loaded them for.
I have used Barnes and Partitions, and Grnad slams, but prefer otheers for various reasons.
I tend not to place too much credance on what the bullet can do unless I can put where it is supposed to go.
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None of these bullerts are so'called premiums, but they they are accurate in the rifles that I loaded them for.
I have used Barnes and Partitions, and Grnad slams, but prefer otheers for various reasons.
I tend not to place too much credance on what the bullet can do unless I can put where it is supposed to go.
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It's impossible to argue with results! I have some of those in my collection also. However, once a bullet comes apart completely because it struck a solid bone, it's off my roster as a big game bullet. I want a bullet to get in, regardless of presentation, and if there's any chance that the non-premium bullet may fail to reach vitals, it just will not get used by me. I practice to make sure I can put a bullet where I want, and if that means a shoulder on shot for Swampdonkey, that will do, thanks. A Partition or TSX WILL reach the vitals. The Pro-hunter, Hot-cor or Interlock may not, and that's the chance I personally will not take. Regards, Eagleye.
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None of those bullets came out of magnum velocity type cartridges, but one was recovered from the spine of a moose, and one went ketty corner through a white tail at about 100 yards breaking the far shoulder and comming to rest under the hide.
They work very well unless pushed at hyper mag velocity, and even then the last 140 game King I shot at a Big mule deer with my 6.5WSM broke both its shoulders at 347 yards or so, and it was comming out of the muzzle pretty fast!
One is a Hornady Interlock that was recovered from the backbone of a moose after it went through the neck and a bunch of vertibrae.
The slowest came out of the muzzle at about 2,100fps, the fastest at about
2,900.
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They work very well unless pushed at hyper mag velocity, and even then the last 140 game King I shot at a Big mule deer with my 6.5WSM broke both its shoulders at 347 yards or so, and it was comming out of the muzzle pretty fast!
One is a Hornady Interlock that was recovered from the backbone of a moose after it went through the neck and a bunch of vertibrae.
The slowest came out of the muzzle at about 2,100fps, the fastest at about
2,900.
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Whisky Creek
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Nosler Partition.... Tried and true. Introduced in 1948 as a Premium Hunting Bullet. Still here and still performing deadly. Nuff said.
BigUglyMan
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The recovered 180 gr Nosler Protected Point Partition from my 2004 moose out at Gaspard Lake. Broke a rib on the way in, pulped the heart, broke a rib on the far side and stopped under thehide. He went about 5 steps, wobbled and fell over after the 300 yard shot. Can' ask for more than that. Fired from my Winchester 300 at around 2900 and change.
I've either used them all or seen others shooting TSX's/Failsafes/various bonded core bullets and etc. etc.
The old Nosler Partition will, imho, put game down to stay better than anything else on the planet. The more the front end disintegrates the better, as the resulting internal damage can be wonderous to behold, and the back of the bullet just keeps truckin' along.
The old Nosler Partition will, imho, put game down to stay better than anything else on the planet. The more the front end disintegrates the better, as the resulting internal damage can be wonderous to behold, and the back of the bullet just keeps truckin' along.
