Special Forces AR accuracy?

Longshot said:
Yeah because we reserves don't maintain our rifles and only get "old" ones lolol. Mine is basically brand new and has never been on an exercise. It's maintained as rifle team only. I've yet to learn the SF special ninja rifle maintaining juju. Guess I'm not in that loop. You would lose this bet badly. This is me speaking from direct experience shooting alongside and against SF soldiers from other countries whilst shooting on the CF national team. And yours was from where...?
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Our rifles in the reserves we're beat to hell. In 6 years I can't recall it ever being serviced or inspected by a weapons tech. Same with my time in the reg force. I remember being instructed to poke down through the flash suppressor and scrape the carbon from the crown of the muzzle. Where is that barrel now? I imagine some poor guy is trying to shoot a course of fire with it somewhere.

When speaking to friend of my in CSOR he mention weapons tech constantly doing maintenance...barrel swaps...gas rings etc.
 
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Ducimus said:
Our rifles in the reserves we're beat to hell. In 6 years I can't recall it ever being serviced or inspected by a weapons tech. Same with my time in the reg force. I remember being instructed to poke down through the flash suppressor and scrape the carbon from the crown of the muzzle. Where is that barrel now? I imagine some poor guy is trying to shoot a course of fire with it somewhere.

When speaking to friend of my in CSOR he mention weapons tech constantly doing maintenance...barrel swaps...gas rings etc.
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Your rifles were inspected every year, same as radios, instruments and lanterns during the ATI. Keep in mind that busy work is often just that, and nothing more.
 
Given that the US/Canada/Britain and other "coalition of the willing" forces have been at war for over a decade now (not counting the ongoing behind the scenes stuff that never ends) I am picking that there are now so many "SPEC OPS" troops out there that the law of averages wins out. What I'm trying to say is that there will clearly be some top level shooters in the Tier "whatever" teams. Just as there will be in the regular forces. But the fact that there are now sooo many Spec Ops guys out there, there is also the clear reality that some of them are only moderate shooters. I suppose the original query was whether there was some sort of Spec Ops standard of accuracy. Probably depends on the mission, but I'll bet weapons reliability is the most important thang.
 
While some guys have represented their countries at the Olympics and other high level events they are the exception rather than the rule.

A big difference between being combat accurate and competition.
 
Put a sf shooter with good experince in a target shooting environment and he will do well. Give him a few months to hone the skillset and get used to the variables and nuances that encompass the sport, and he will excel. The thing is our (CF) SF guys are few and far between and are very keen both mentaly and physically. They are elite atheltes that would put most pro athletes to shame.

Put a target shooter in the battlefield and he wont last a week.

I think people forget our SF groups have snipers and marksmen as well. They dont exactly all go compete, and the gist of it is 'how do you compete at combat?'. And when they reluctantly do, its against other SF unitd and you dont exactly know the results. Canadian SF operates for combat, not 'games'. Hence the comparison to reservists or competition shooters being not only moot, but void. There are no absolutes and there is no comparison. Too many variables to even fathom how to accurately compare as well......

So lets talk about the guns instead. Thats something we can all agree on.
 
mikethebike said:
Hemmm no. I was just wondering if he's around here somewhere. Maybe he could tell us some actual SF stories around a campfire!
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I have a SF story of my own:

I've been hit with 5.56 three times dead in the chest. I was in Fallujah and I killed about 16 insurgents before I had to pop in a fresh mag, but a sniper took out my left knee and I collapsed during the reload. Well, needless to say, I was out of action. A bunch of other insurgents started swarming to my location, so I pulled out my KABAR and shanked one of those damn Hadjis right in the throat, but while this was happening some other Hadji got ahold of my Steyr AUG and the fresh mag that I dropped when the sniper nailed me. He loaded it up and tagged me twice in the right lung before I pulled out my Desert Eagle and returned fire as he was squeezing off a third shot. My .50 slug obliterated his gray matter and his third round pierced my left ventricle. Most people would have died, but I just did the mash, I did the monster mash.
 
Its information 98% of the users here on CGN can't confirm, But most only speculate, I heard this, I read this, Costa that... Harley That.

Who cares? Last I seen this is Canada and not US.
 
DoubleA said:
I have a SF story of my own:

I've been hit with 5.56 three times dead in the chest. I was in Fallujah and I killed about 16 insurgents before I had to pop in a fresh mag, but a sniper took out my left knee and I collapsed during the reload. Well, needless to say, I was out of action. A bunch of other insurgents started swarming to my location, so I pulled out my KABAR and shanked one of those damn Hadjis right in the throat, but while this was happening some other Hadji got ahold of my Steyr AUG and the fresh mag that I dropped when the sniper nailed me. He loaded it up and tagged me twice in the right lung before I pulled out my Desert Eagle and returned fire as he was squeezing off a third shot. My .50 slug obliterated his gray matter and his third round pierced my left ventricle. Most people would have died, but I just did the mash, I did the monster mash.
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You forgot the part where you saved the innocent child by jumping on a grenade.... Then shrugging it off.
 
Hahahahhaha @doubleA

Dont forget the part where you managed to fly the helo and save your comrades. And the girl. Dont forget the girl.

Maybe a child or two.
 
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I think if you're going to display a sign, you should use the proper grammar- ie the contraction is "you're" not the possessive your- when it's a sign, you're held to a higher standard than normal
 
t-star said:
I think if you're going to display a sign, you should use the proper grammar- ie the contraction is "you're" not the possessive your- when it's a sign, you're held to a higher standard than normal
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The sign has the correct usage of "your". The "your" is possessive (as in "your JTF2 stories", not "you are JTF2 stories").
 
enefgee said:
Even Costa jokes about the Coast Guard
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LOL, its funny though, the USCG has more ships, more men, more guns and more aircraft then the entire canadian military. I'm pretty sure the USCG could roll over the canadian military alone and plant thier flag on every CFB and the parliment. Moreover the USCG is much more militarized compared to the CCG. My last deployment we had USCG in our battle group, they did most of the boardings and siezures. I'm also sure any branch of the uS military could roll over the CF....using only privates!!
 
t-star said:
I think if you're going to display a sign, you should use the proper grammar- ie the contraction is "you're" not the possessive your- when it's a sign, you're held to a higher standard than normal
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lol funny fail there buddy.
"your" refers to "stories"...
 
Farmboy said:
Maybe I should add "Reserve shooting team" to the sign as well :p LOL
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Members of Dodge City Wyatt Earp's posse too!

The amount of BS in the shooting community is Everest high, everyone's a sniper, everyone hits sub moa groups with their ARs, everyone can shoot dime size groups with their glocks at 100 meters, whatever...
 
Shooting accurately is down to good coaching,confidence and lots of practise ...SF types tend to have lots of all three so should be better than average. Most SF types don't advertise who they are/were .
 
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