Speed vs accuracy?

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Shot a match this past weekend and I thought I did okay seeing as this was my first match of the season. Came in in the upper half of my division. The positive part was that I shot a lot of Alphas and Charlies with a couple Deltas, no Mikes or penalties.

There was this young guy who recently did his BB course and out for his Provisional shoot. Holy frack was this kid fast!! A couple green areas but for the most part, he had great muzzle discipline and form. Smooth transitions and reloads. You'd think he'd been shooting IPSC for years. He was shooting for time by the looks of things, getting a couple Mikes, Deltas and Charlies along the way. I looked at the stage scoring and I got more points than he did on a number of stages but he just crushed me on time, one stage almost by 15sec.

He won one of the stages and placed 5th overall in the division. Wow!! This on his first match!! I can only imagine where he'll be in a year or two once he gets his cadence figured out and fine tune his efficiency.

I got to work on speed!! lol
 
CV32 said:
Typically you cannot miss fast enough.
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More true of IDPA with that sport's scoring system then IPSC. if by "miss" you mean C's and D's using IPSC scoring vs -1/-3 in IDPA. A -1 shooting a 10 second stage adds 10% to your score in IDPA. Two misses doubles your score on the stage. You just can't run fast enough in IDPA while in IPSC with longer stages you can strike a comfortable balance from what I can see.

Young eyes, legs, reflex's and ability beats aged bodies and chicanery by a lot in any sport. LOL Good to hear young shooters are on the way up. We will have two 13 year old shooters at our next match. A young lady and a young man.

Take Care

Bob
 
Canuck44 said:
More true of IDPA with that sport's scoring system then IPSC. if by "miss" you mean C's and D's using IPSC scoring vs -1/-3 in IDPA. A -1 shooting a 10 second stage adds 10% to your score in IDPA. Two misses doubles your score on the stage. You just can't run fast enough in IDPA while in IPSC with longer stages you can strike a comfortable balance from what I can see. Young eyes, legs, reflex's and ability beats aged bodies and chicanery by a lot in any sport. LOL Good to hear young shooters are on the way up. We will have two 13 year old shooters at our next match. A young lady and a young man.
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That was kinda the point, while keeping in mind that there other action shooting sports that also use time plus penalty scoring.
 
Someone has done the research and there are some common patterns put up by the best IPSC shooters. I don't know the numbers, but in something like Production with minor scoring the really top end guys shoot something like 90% A, 9% C, 1% D, and 0 mikes and noshoots.
 
I have tried this at the last match I shot.
First day went to accuracy and slowed it up. The second day I went to for speed over shooting for A's. Didn't help that I was running a fever of 106, but I managed to pick up a lot of time on each stage but also picked up some mikes to go along with it.
I'm sure I could have done a heck of a lot better of it didnt hurt like hell every time I pulled the trigger but there is always next time. I'm in it for fun so as long as I had a good time its a win!
 
Its not Speed vs Accuracy, but Speed and Accuracy... everyone can shoot accurately if given enough time, ... Speed is more difficult to master, Maybe try pushing for more speed and know your limits when your accuracy starts to suffer, need a timer on this,....Sometimes its not the actual shooting but more on the movement and reloads.
 
Speed should come from your dry fire practices. Idea is to constantly push yourself to your max speed limits in dry fire while at the same time calling your shots. Mikes and Deltas are not a big deal in dry fire provided you recognize them as such and are able to call them as mikes and deltas.

Come match time however it’s all about ‘visual patience’. In a match you ‘should’ only be shooting as fast as you can see and call your shots with your front sight. And please don’t confuse this with consciously ‘going slow’ ...because I don’t go slow... I just go as fast as my front sight will allow me to go.

‘Visual patience’ has become my match mantra which I try to remind myself immediately before each stage ... and is my only conscious thought throughout my entire match.

If you have trained correctly, your confidence and speed will come from all the speed reps you have done in dry fire practice and be part of your sub conscious skill set. And match accuracy will come from your visual patience on match day.

The ipsc/uspsa podcaster Steve Anderson explains this concept very well. He uses the terms ‘Speed mode’ for dry fire practices and ‘Match mode’ for matches. And advises that if you try and ‘ go fast ’ in a match, you will almost always crash and burn and can only go as fast as your front sight will allow.
 
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Northaways said:
Speed should come from your dry fire practices. Idea is to constantly push yourself to your max speed limits in dry fire while at the same time calling your shots. Mikes and Deltas are not a big deal in dry fire provided you recognize them as such and are able to call them as mikes and deltas.

Come match time however it’s all about ‘visual patience’. In a match you ‘should’ only be shooting as fast as you can see and call your shots with your front sight. And please don’t confuse this with consciously ‘going slow’ ...because I don’t go slow... I just go as fast as my front sight will allow me to go.

‘Visual patience’ has become my match mantra which I try to remind myself immediately before each stage ... and is my only conscious thought throughout my entire match.

If you have trained correctly, your confidence and speed will come from all the speed reps you have done in dry fire practice and be part of your sub conscious skill set. And match accuracy will come from your visual patience on match day.

The ipsc/uspsa podcaster Steve Anderson explains this concept very well. He uses the terms ‘Speed mode’ for dry fire practices and ‘Match mode’ for matches. And advises that if you try and ‘ go fast ’ in a match, you will almost always crash and burn and can only go as fast as your front sight will allow.
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Thanks Northaways, really appreciate the info/tips
 
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