Spencer repeating rifle m1865

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Well this came to me from my father and to he from his and the important questions about it were never asked before he was ill and passed now it's up to books, Internet.

The cartouche are EAW and DAP there's also a triple 000
Serial 1393x

Also side note I can't post pics directly from my phone as I can on other forums, do I have to host them?
 
Well this came to me from my father and to he from his and the important questions about it were never asked before he was ill and passed now it's up to books, Internet.

The cartouche are EAW and DAP there's also a triple 000
Serial 1393x

Also side note I can't post pics directly from my phone as I can on other forums, do I have to host them?

Yes, unfortunately pictures have to be hosted, photobucket being the most commonly used host although I understand the more technicaly
savvy have found other ways. The antique experts will be along in a few minutes or hours and they may surprise you with information!:wave:
 
You have called it a rifle, but is what you have a rifle (about 30" barrel) or a carbine (20" barrel)?

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It would be interesting to see photos of what you have.
 
Yes my bad top one with one barrel strap, I reap the top stamp on mine spencer repeating rifle company Boston mass patd March 6 1860. It has a 20 inch barrel. So carbine I suppose?

I will look into that imagur and see about getting pics up here
 
Yes, that is the carbine version.

Many Model 1865 Spencer carbines and rifles were purchased in 1866 by the pre-Confederation United Province of Upper and Lower Canada, or by the British War Department to be loaned (and later transferred outright) to the Canadian Militia Department, because of the Fenian Raids emergency (for more information on that little known aspect of Canadian military history, see http://www.warmuseum.ca/cwm/exhibitions/chrono/1774fenian_e.shtml and https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fenian_raids). A total of 2,300 Spencer carbines and 2,000 Spencer rifles were brought into Canada. (Interestingly, that was about 2/3 of the total known production of the Model 1865 Spencer in the full-length rifle configuration!) Other breech-loading firearms were also acquired in the United States: 3,000 Peabody rifles and 1,000 Starr carbines. The purpose of these acquisitions was to re-arm, as much as possible, the Militia in Canada with breech-loaders rather than their standard .577 Enfield muzzle-loading rifles, for this emergency. Following the big raids in 1866, the threat of further raids remained a serious concern, but no more actual incursions actually took place until 1870. In the meantime, the Snider-Enfield rifle (conversion of the .577 Enfield to breech-loading) had been adopted, and 60,000 of them arrived in Canada in 1867, and the Militia were fully re-armed with Sniders by 1868, and the Spencers, Peabodies and Starrs were withdrawn from service.

The "cutoff" Colin mentioned is the "Stabler Cut-Off Device" invented by Edward M. Stabler in about 1864/65. It was a mechanism which could be installed in the Spencer action that, when activated, cut off the feeding of cartridges from the magazine tube in the butt, allowing the firearm to be used as a single-shot while keeping the cartridges in the magazine as a reserve. Apparently, the Spencer carbines and rifles brought into Canada for the Militia were not fitted with this device, and it is accordingly one way of determining whether a particular Spencer is part of this "Canadian contract".

The selection lever for this device, if it has been installed, should be readily visible on the underside of the action just ahead of the trigger. I can't tell for sure, but in that side view you posted (of the whole carbine laying on the gun case) it appears that your carbine may be fitted with the Stabler device ... can you give us a better view of that area? Here are some images showing the selection lever of a Stabler device:

First a side view, in which the selection lever can be seen ahead of the trigger -

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Bottom views showing the lever in its two possible positions -

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Thanks Grant, for your typical in depth commentary c/w pictures. Worth ten thousand words. A Merry Christmas to you and yours!
 
She is a beautiful rifle! I once saw a movie where the actor was loading a Spencer from the stock-butt and have been curious
about them since. Thanks for bringing this rifle to CGN for us to admire.:wave:
 
Grant - I believe that there were two different variants of cut-offs used? For some reason I want to say that the one was Stabler and the other was a "Spencer" cut-off. I suspect this was a cost saving/patent issue. I think the pics you provide and the OPs rifle show the two different versions although I am not certain which is which mind you.

Having said this, I am not sure what reference specifically states that Canadian spencers (and the later British "donation of their left overs) did not have the cut-off. Edgecombe's book shows photos of purported Canadian Spencer's without a cut-off but I could not find any text that states this.
 
Yes, your carbine is fitted with a version of the Stabler Cut-Off, so it is unlikely to be one of the 2.300 carbines brought to Canada in 1866. (Unless someone had it fitted with the device after it left Militia service.) The EAW and DAP cartouches you mentioned sound like US military inspectors' stamps ... can you post any photos of those?
 
My search turned up dap being dwight a perkins 1862, an inspector I believe and eaw being e.a.Williams 1865.

Not sure who they were or anything much about history. Ashamed to say it but I'm an unfortunate product of gordos public school system here grad early 2000's. Eh life's a lesson right

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