sportered P14 questions

stevebc

BANNED
BANNED
BANNED
EE Expired
Rating - 100%
41   0   0
Location
BC
I've been given a sporterized P14 that has some issues. First among these is the trigger. What should be a 2 stage trigger is now a one stage trigger, and very light: around 3 to 3.5 lbs. If I concentrate, I can just barely feel where there might be a first stage, but if I release pressure, then take it up again, there's no first stage at all, then off it goes. Apologies if I use the wrong terminology, LEE Enfields I know, P14's I don't.

The sear face:

DSCN1346_zpsouhmmqbx.jpg

DSCN1360_zps8o6ozvzg.jpg


The cocking piece:

DSCN1349_zpsj3owmvj2.jpg


The sear face picture isn't very clear, but it's not an even front face on it. As you can see from the cocking piece face, the sear is only contacting a small portion of it.

I haven't removed the "sear block" and trigger yet, and I'm hoping that doing so will show me exactly how the 2-stage trigger is supposed to work. I don't know enough yet to say whether someone filed or ground the sear face in an effort to lighten the trigger, or if that's just normal (if off kilter) wear. I DO know that someone took a Dremel to the feed ramp...

-----------------------------------

Second issue: someone attempted to put on a rear sight forward of the receiver, and so cut a dovetail into the barrel. They blew it, and it was subsequently epoxied into place. A ramped front sight was likewise epoxied into place. I've left that alone for now.

DSCN1230_zpssofk8tjp.jpg


First thing I did was remove that:

DSCN1342_zpshkkyr9fk.jpg

DSCN1343_zpsffzfvqrs.jpg

DSCN1344_zps7ma1vner.jpg


My question is (I'm probably being overly cautious here), should I be concerned about either the depth or placement of the dovetail attempt? I can hide it cosmetically, but I need to know if that's a concern.

The original job of cutting off the rear sight wings was actually rather nicely done, tidied up well and nicely blued. Some decent chequering was added around the grip area, the barrel wasn't cut down, but the butt stock was shortened by an inch and a quarter.

My initial thought was to simply part it out, but it seems to me that if the trigger issue can be fixed, and the dovetail isn't a problem, any other issues are largely cosmetic and this could be made into a decent truck gun. The bore is clean and bright, but looks very worn to my eye. That is probably ok, many worn bores shoot well.

DSCN1355_zpsiz6u0kcw.jpg


You'll notice I used a grub screw from the front sight block off an No. 4 to hold on the portion of the SMLE rear sight. Having removed the other sight, I was just trying to see if I had something (anything) that could function as a rear sight.

I'm in no hurry to do anything with this, and am on a budget of pretty much $0. I'm ok with parting it out, but would like to salvage this if I can do so safely and cheaply.

Thoughts?
 
That open sight is much too close to the eye to be seen clearly, as such a sight must be.
It's possible that a commercial trigger may have been installed. At one time '####-on-opening' conversions were a fad with these actions.
You can cut a piece of steel to fill the dovetail hole, unless you want to recut it for something.
 
So I needn't be concerned about the dovetail? Good, one issue down.

I'll remove the trigger group and see what I find.
 
I've removed the trigger group. Starting with an overall picture:

DSCN1371_zpsomxj3fxn.jpg


Can anyone post a picture of their P14 trigger? I'm not sure what I should be seeing, but I'm assuming it should have 2 bumps analogous to those on the No.4 trigger. If so, it looks like the humps on this trigger have been filed down. Also, it sure looks like that sear has been filed too.

DSCN1364_zpsbcknz3zr.jpg


DSCN1366_zps1wsybyae.jpg


Here you can see where the trigger contacts/contacted the underside of the receiver:

DSCN1363_zpsg8jggfiu.jpg


...and finally, a pic of the tit that retains the spring at the end of the "sear block". Does the wear on that look normal?

DSCN1370_zpswas4ne2f.jpg


edited to add: I've since seen some pics of P14 triggers that suggest there wasn't much of a hump to begin with. I thought I was onto why the second stage pull has disappeared, but maybe not.
 
Last edited:
Should be two humps on the trigger [like a mauser]looks like Bubba in an attempt to make a single stage trigger emoved one and most of the other one creating a possibly unsafe trigger.....a Springfield 1903 trigger will also fit unless the mag belly has been shortened......Timney and Dayton Traister both make triggers.........Harold
 
Last edited:
I would say clean it, and try then. Thats filthy.

It was filthy, so I took the trigger out, cleaned it all up. A lot of dried residue of something in there, but no difference in the result. Still one stage, very light.

Ok, last pictures, I promise:

DSCN1374_zps2poxznoi.jpg


DSCN1377_zpsype2iryo.jpg


So... this is what I've got. Anyone got one for comparison?
 
I have some P-14 parts; will dig out a trigger and see what it looks like.

To hide unfortunate dovetails, I prefer to make a banded sight. Looks as if it belongs, and is functional.
 
Ah ok then, I'll look for a sear. Thanks for comparing, I was looking for an exploded diagram of the P14, to no avail.
 
The hump on the trigger closest to the pivot starts camming the sear down, then the next hump contacts the receiver, and continues the camming until the sear releases the cocking piece. This double hump produces the two stage trigger. The cocking piece might have been shortened vertically so that it would release sooner, or the height of the sear shortened to produce the same effect.
A trigger mechanism that isn't working as designed needs to be sorted out.
 
The hump on the trigger closest to the pivot starts camming the sear down, then the next hump contacts the receiver, and continues the camming until the sear releases the cocking piece. This double hump produces the two stage trigger. The cocking piece might have been shortened vertically so that it would release sooner, or the height of the sear shortened to produce the same effect.
A trigger mechanism that isn't working as designed needs to be sorted out.

It's likely to be that sear, it does look filed. Mbogo3's link above will give me the answer, and at a reasonable cost.

The trigger as it stands isn't safe, but if I can fix that, all the other issues will be cosmetic, and easily dealt with. I'd rather fix up a good truck gun and give it away, than part it out.
 
Update: the negatives outweighed the positives, and I've salvaged what parts I could from it.
 
Back
Top Bottom