Sporting Rife and Hunting Rifle - Shooting Federation of Canada

I’m sorry for the late reply, for some reason I’m not getting my usual email notifications for posts here…

@machohugeaxe. That’s some great progress!! Congratulations on hiting your goal of 570! Well done! I’ve struggled with some of the same things you mentioned, especially 3rd series fatigue. Dry fire (with snapcaps), shooting on a regular basis and experimenting with tweaks to my position and rifle setup has helped find what works for me. Maple_Leaf is very right, it’s especially mental game.

@maple_leaf_eh Thanks for sharing your Sporting Rifle experience. It’s really interesting to read about the different prices of equipment used. There’s some really cool stories on how this sport has developed and grown. Unfortunately it seems like things have tapered off somewhat as far as numbers of participants. Hopefully it can grow again. That shooting jacket would be cool to see!

@Iron Cat Welcome! Glad to hear your still shooting match rifle. Do you and sling’n irons shoot in the Southern Ontario area by chance?

I went to a club level friendly match in Aurora this passed Sunday. For some reason I’m struggling to break 588 there…. I don’t know why, but I’ve found 20 yard more difficult that 50 meter… it sounds silly, I get it…. I think I’ve gotten used to shooting on one diagram (electronic targets) and on the 50 meter target which only has 4 scoring diagrams, I don’t have to adjust my natural point of aim as much as I need to on the 10 diagrams for the 20 yard target. So I need to work on that. Also on the range I’ve competed and practiced at for 50 meter, glasses are optional. On the indoor in Aurora they’re mandatory. I find the clear plastic lens of my safety glasses distort things just slightly and I’ve found it more challenging to focus…. In the end I shot a 588x23

I got a cool old CIL Small Bore Shooting guide from the fella that runs the matches I’ve been going to. I’d like to share it here. Not only is there really great info in it, but it also has a really cool history of this sport at the beginning. I’ve put it in a Dropbox for everyone here:
https://www.dropbox.com/s/bdnypeonuiu7t83/Small%20Bore%20Rifle%20Shooting%20-%20CIL.pdf?dl=0

Cheers! Also scores updated on post #1
 
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CanuckCooper said:
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@maple_leaf_eh Thanks for sharing your Sporting Rifle experience. It’s really interesting to read about the different prices of equipment used. There’s some really cool stories on how this sport has developed and grown. Unfortunately it seems like things have tapered off somewhat as far as numbers of participants. Hopefully it can grow again. That shooting jacket would be cool to see!

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Hans Adlhoch (https://olympic.ca/team-canada/hans-adlhoch/) was our Junior coach. He was living centrally in the province, and had access to Ruisseau Noire range for his training. I shot indoors in Lennoxville and outdoors at Sand Hill. But my father was my coach, and there are times when you listen better to another voice.

The shooting jacket is a copy of a 1970s British Andrew Tucker double layer canvas jacket. That was better than the US Ten-X thin canvas and rubber elbows options. I was maybe 150-lbs but same height as now. With a sweat shirt and muscle memory, I could flop down and hold pretty steadily.
 
Still remember the first time I met him shooting smallbore in Victoria. Must have been early 90s
- 1st thought was: That guy got to be using the ugliest rifle I've ever seen... think of a piece of rough lumber, with nothing more than the inletting done, and a smooth pistol grip and cheek-piece done...
- 2nd thought was: Gee, that guy can shoot.

There was a joke going around about him. He was one of the few shooters that could (probably) fall asleep on the firing line, while waiting for the wind condition to change.

maple_leaf_eh said:
Shooting is a mental game. You have to figure a way to quiet the chattering monkeys sitting on your shoulders.
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- That's one thing I learned from your dad... Be able to cut out the background noise/chatter/distraction... and everything will be fine... You got a bad shot? So be it, concentrate on the next.

Lost track of the number of shooter who'd literally got upset because someone was talking behind the firing line... and once "upset", their shooting would suffer.
- In recent years, coaching our local Cadets, we got into the habit of having drum-line/band practice in between their relays... in the first few weeks scores and grouping size took a hit, but things quickly got back to normal... and in some cases, improved. But we're guessing the improvement as more to do with the kids being in a better mood (or having more fun) than with the raucous helping with their concentration :p
 
maple_leaf_eh said:
Hans Adlhoch (https://olympic.ca/team-canada/hans-adlhoch/) was our Junior coach. He was living centrally in the province, and had access to Ruisseau Noire range for his training. I shot indoors in Lennoxville and outdoors at Sand Hill. But my father was my coach, and there are times when you listen better to another voice.

The shooting jacket is a copy of a 1970s British Andrew Tucker double layer canvas jacket. That was better than the US Ten-X thin canvas and rubber elbows options. I was maybe 150-lbs but same height as now. With a sweat shirt and muscle memory, I could flop down and hold pretty steadily.
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I googled around about that jacket. Really cool to see. This history and these stories are great. Thank you for sharing it. It must have been something shoot with these fellas.
 
sillymike said:
Still remember the first time I met him shooting smallbore in Victoria. Must have been early 90s
- 1st thought was: That guy got to be using the ugliest rifle I've ever seen... think of a piece of rough lumber, with nothing more than the inletting done, and a smooth pistol grip and cheek-piece done...
- 2nd thought was: Gee, that guy can shoot.

There was a joke going around about him. He was one of the few shooters that could (probably) fall asleep on the firing line, while waiting for the wind condition to change.


- That's one thing I learned from your dad... Be able to cut out the background noise/chatter/distraction... and everything will be fine... You got a bad shot? So be it, concentrate on the next.

Lost track of the number of shooter who'd literally got upset because someone was talking behind the firing line... and once "upset", their shooting would suffer.
- In recent years, coaching our local Cadets, we got into the habit of having drum-line/band practice in between their relays... in the first few weeks scores and grouping size took a hit, but things quickly got back to normal... and in some cases, improved. But we're guessing the improvement as more to do with the kids being in a better mood (or having more fun) than with the raucous helping with their concentration :p
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I went to a practice this past summer at the pan am range. There was a lot of shooters and most weren’t shooting sporting rifle. It definitely was tougher trying to concentrate with all kinds of other stuff going on. But good practise none the less..

Anyone here shooting the LSBA’s this fall/winter?
 
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Hey all, I’m new to Canadian Gun Nuts and can’t quite figure out how to make a new post. So I figured I’d find a form talking about rifles and post my question here. This is my dilemma, I am wanting to buy a new rifle and am torn between these two. 1 the KODIAK DEFENCE WK180 GEN2, 18.6″ BARREL, BLACK, 5.56MM. This is gen 2 and I know the first gen had a lot of problems but I wanna know more about people that have been using it. And 2 the WOLVERINE SUPPLIES, WS-MCR RIFLE, 18.7” BARREL, 5.56MM. Any help would be great! Thanks
 
CanuckCooper said:
I googled around about that jacket. Really cool to see. This history and these stories are great. Thank you for sharing it. It must have been something shoot with these fellas.
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The shooters were just guys who knew how to lie down and shoot like heroes. Hans for example, had a terrible sense of humour! He wasn't funny, but kept telling jokes. He drove old cars, and once left his dog inside. It dug up all the seat cushions. His rifles were as Mike mentions, outrages to fine craftsmanship, which is ironic considering he was a finish cabinetmaker. But, Hans also recognized where to concentrate his effort. I remember Hans was not chosen for a DCRA team match one year. He insisted on bringing his spotting scope to the line, and the coaches thought he was second-guessing them. He pleaded that he was better at hold and squeeze than whoever was put in his place, but team matches are a different set of skills. Hans had tragedy in his life - infidelity by another shooter with his wife, divorce, a child's suicide and another who was hard to manage. But I always liked Hans and listened to his stories.
 
For the "I wish I'd thought about take a picture back then" category

- Wolfgang Adlhoch (Hans's brother) a machinist by trade, made some interesting modifications to Martini's to be easily fitted to different size youths... Unlike Hans, with Wolfgang everything has be perfectly finished...

- When I first got started shooting at the Lennoxville Rifle Club. Everyone shot sporting rifle, seems like it didn't matter if you were young/old, a good or bad shot, if you were coming to the club you were expected to shoot on score... Back then I just assumed that waiting for your relay was a normal thing at a shooting club.

- Later on at the CNRA in Mtl... Boy did we had it good...
 
Sounds like it was very good then! Hey speaking of Martini’s, we’re they used much for Sporting Rifle? A friend of mine has one. He shot 20 yard with it for fun. We weren’t certain what the trigger weight was, but no way was it’s total weight over 4kg. It’s a nice shooter.

Thanks for sharing all of the above guys. The more I’ve learned about the sport the more I like it. There seems to be some really cool Canadian History behind it. Shame more people don’t shoot it today. Ive maintained that anyone shooting CPRS or ORPS would likely get a lot out of sporting and hunting rifle as practice.
 
I think sporting rifle trigger weight have always been at around the 2.2lbs mark, no? Old TR were at 4.5lbs
- When I was shooting it, the Anschutz 190s were the most common rifles used... You'd also see some Walther KKS and KKJ, the odd Martine #6 and #13... and a few BRNO #5 and Remington 581...
 
sillymike said:
I think sporting rifle trigger weight have always been at around the 2.2lbs mark, no? Old TR were at 4.5lbs
- When I was shooting it, the Anschutz 190s were the most common rifles used... You'd also see some Walther KKS and KKJ, the odd Martine #6 and #13... and a few BRNO #5 and Remington 581...
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Yes 1kg or 2.2lb. My 1903 kkj is set to 1.1kg. It broke at just about 1cm off the table with the weight at nationals. Would a martini’s trigger be easy to adjust if it didn’t meet the requirements?
 
@SillyMike thanks, I’ll let my buddy know, I’m not sure which version he has.

@n17steve bust it out, print some groups and let’s see this puppy! They’re pretty neat. Was impressed shooting my buddies martini. The sights were really cool. You could adjust the rear iris, and it had a compartment in the stock with various inserts for the front sight.
 
Has anyone gone from using scopes to diopter sights? How was the experience and how long did it take for you to adapt? I don't have a target rifle, but would consider getting getting one (though I have no clue what to aim for, all the anschutz numbers are very confusing), but biggest thing is having never used the diopter sights.
 
machohugeaxe said:
Has anyone gone from using scopes to diopter sights? How was the experience and how long did it take for you to adapt? I don't have a target rifle, but would consider getting getting one (though I have no clue what to aim for, all the anschutz numbers are very confusing), but biggest thing is having never used the diopter sights.
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I did. I didn’t find it a big deal. Shooting is shooting. In fact in competition I shoot both sporting and hunting rifle, so I use both in the same match just different classes so to speak. The diopters have one thing in common with scopes, it’s that you have a target focus for both. With the circular front iris you actually look through it at the bullseye. The the bullseye is your focal point for both sighting systems… unlike traditional post front sights where you’d focus on the tip of the post so to speak…. The biggest thing I found was your fundamentals matter a ton. Like I said above it’s the deepest dive into the fundamentals I’ve taken.

As for rifles, see if you can try a savage mark I fvt. You can also find CIL 190’s around. There’s only one Anschutz that meets the weight requirements out of the factory for this sport as it stands and that’s the 1903kk junior. Don’t let the word junior lead you to believe the rifle would be small. I’m 5 foot 9 and 215lb, and it fits perfect with adjustment to spare. It’s more the weight on that Anschutz that’s different from its bigger brothers. It’s lighter by 2 plus kilos (shorter barrel and lighter stock). If you’re ever up in the central Ontario area you’re more than welcome to try mine.
 
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machohugeaxe said:
Has anyone gone from using scopes to diopter sights? How was the experience and how long did it take for you to adapt? I don't have a target rifle, but would consider getting getting one (though I have no clue what to aim for, all the anschutz numbers are very confusing), but biggest thing is having never used the diopter sights.
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Personally, I find it easier to shoot with diopter sights than a scope, even more so when shooting positions.
- With a scope (which more often than not will be higher power) it feels like the cross-hair bumping all over place... even if in reality it's only a few mm on target
 
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