Springfield M1A guess what broke!!!!
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Lies, lies, propaganda all lies. Good comrades of Norinco great forged steel making. Unlike greedy capitalist cheapniks.
Using cast steel and metal injected molded parts from factory sweepings. Cheap garbage sold for many rubles. From honest workers stealing.
The chinese can and do make good steel parts. Its just part of their trading strategies to fu ck us over as much as possible.
Difficulties of communication with their businesses helps them perpetrate that as well as their government that keeps the opacity going. Its much easier to get back at an american business, wich in turn keeps them on their toes...
Here's how it looks now with a Vortex Viper 3.5-10X50 in leupold PRW low rings. Just need a leather cheek riser and I'm set.
Nice rifle love the hardwood stock. How much does it weight outfitted like that and is that the steel CASM?
Not so bad I thought it would be heavier...
Here's how it looks now with a Vortex Viper 3.5-10X50 in leupold PRW low rings. Just need a leather cheek riser and I'm set.
gorgeous rifle, it is on my to get list
I don't know how many times we have to hash this out, over and over...
So for the record:
China is PERFECTLY capable of producing top quality products, among the best in the world. Chine has a space program, is a nuclear power, builds nuclear ballistic submarines that dive to depths comparable to American boats. They build a stealth fighter that's better than what most western countries currently have, F35 and F22 excepted, the Chengdu J-20. They have aircraft carriers.
The world's largest floating solar power plant was completed and connected to the local power grid in China's Anhui province in May 2015. Last year, the Chinese implemented an Transit Elevated Bus at the 19th China Beijing International High-Tech Expo. It’s designed to accommodate as many as 1,200 people at any time, and drives along highways straddling normal road traffic, that passes by beneath. Both are full of next-gen materials and top quality steels.
Although 3D printing is not new, in 2014 a Chinese company called WinSun Decoration Design Engineering built a 10-house 3D-printed village in under one day, including printed metal components, and they've been in use since then, luxurious homes too.
The most powerful computer in the world is the Tianhe-2. It's a 33.86-petaflop supercomputer, completely chinese-made and designed. Qualcomm is a chinese company that designs and builds all it's own chips. The Qualcomm line has become the go-to processor for mobile devices. Look at your phone - it's probably built in China and almost certainly has a Qualcomm processor in it. Your iphones are manufactured in china from chinese components.
But sure, they only build cheap junk that nobody in their right mind should purchase. Hello 1970 - your biggotted mentality is calling.
Now let's talk about how China is not really a communist country. They aren't. They are a capitalist dictatorship in socialist clothing. Kinda like how Canada is, 4 years at a time when we elect our king... err.. prime minister. The only real difference is the Chinese president is usually elected either for life or until he makes a big mistake and gets taken out. Like any capitalist country, they want to make money - preferably from exports.
The way it works is a Canadian company - let's call them North Sylva - asks the Chinese to supply a M14S rifle. Jianshe (or other arms plant) opens their catalogue - probably on a chinese made apple tablet - and says their standard offering costs (pick a value). A conversation ensues:
NS: "gee, that is more than last time".
Jianshe: "ok, what price point make you go happy sunshine?"
NS: "as cheap as last time, or ideally even cheaper".
Jianshe: "We make super-fantastic rifle, new MIM technology go cheaper"
NS: "We are all about cheaper. Give us the cheapest rifle you can that still uses the same receiver. We know we can't cheap out on the receiver and still sell these things."
Jianshe: "ok big boss man. We make super fantastic M14 with MIM, maybe some 3d Printer mechanic too".
Phone hangs up.
Jianshe: "Stupid capitalist dog. How he not know rifle break after 250 bullet hose?"
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So for the record:
China is PERFECTLY capable of producing top quality products, among the best in the world. Chine has a space program, is a nuclear power, builds nuclear ballistic submarines that dive to depths comparable to American boats. They build a stealth fighter that's better than what most western countries currently have, F35 and F22 excepted, the Chengdu J-20. They have aircraft carriers.
The world's largest floating solar power plant was completed and connected to the local power grid in China's Anhui province in May 2015. Last year, the Chinese implemented an Transit Elevated Bus at the 19th China Beijing International High-Tech Expo. It’s designed to accommodate as many as 1,200 people at any time, and drives along highways straddling normal road traffic, that passes by beneath. Both are full of next-gen materials and top quality steels.
Although 3D printing is not new, in 2014 a Chinese company called WinSun Decoration Design Engineering built a 10-house 3D-printed village in under one day, including printed metal components, and they've been in use since then, luxurious homes too.
The most powerful computer in the world is the Tianhe-2. It's a 33.86-petaflop supercomputer, completely chinese-made and designed. Qualcomm is a chinese company that designs and builds all it's own chips. The Qualcomm line has become the go-to processor for mobile devices. Look at your phone - it's probably built in China and almost certainly has a Qualcomm processor in it. Your iphones are manufactured in china from chinese components.
But sure, they only build cheap junk that nobody in their right mind should purchase. Hello 1970 - your biggotted mentality is calling.
Now let's talk about how China is not really a communist country. They aren't. They are a capitalist dictatorship in socialist clothing. Kinda like how Canada is, 4 years at a time when we elect our king... err.. prime minister. The only real difference is the Chinese president is usually elected either for life or until he makes a big mistake and gets taken out. Like any capitalist country, they want to make money - preferably from exports.
The way it works is a Canadian company - let's call them North Sylva - asks the Chinese to supply a M14S rifle. Jianshe (or other arms plant) opens their catalogue - probably on a chinese made apple tablet - and says their standard offering costs (pick a value). A conversation ensues:
NS: "gee, that is more than last time".
Jianshe: "ok, what price point make you go happy sunshine?"
NS: "as cheap as last time, or ideally even cheaper".
Jianshe: "We make super-fantastic rifle, new MIM technology go cheaper"
NS: "We are all about cheaper. Give us the cheapest rifle you can that still uses the same receiver. We know we can't cheap out on the receiver and still sell these things."
Jianshe: "ok big boss man. We make super fantastic M14 with MIM, maybe some 3d Printer mechanic too".
Phone hangs up.
Jianshe: "Stupid capitalist dog. How he not know rifle break after 250 bullet hose?"
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Well, I can see that you have 16,146 posts and I suppose that you will survive on the CGN after taking North Sylva as an example of a company which is selling "cheaper" rifles.
I know that I would not survive here if I only dare to write the same post ...
I had a TRW bolt completely break off the roller using German surplus
308 shells back in the day on a springfield m1a which was built with
all TRW parts.
I still have the gun and nothing has happened in over 20 years.
Springfield put in a new TRW bolt checked the gun etc
So things happen, no need to bash a product unless they are not
willing fix it. The odds of these things happening very small.
308 shells back in the day on a springfield m1a which was built with
all TRW parts.
I still have the gun and nothing has happened in over 20 years.
Springfield put in a new TRW bolt checked the gun etc
So things happen, no need to bash a product unless they are not
willing fix it. The odds of these things happening very small.
That is gold
FWIW, there is nothing wrong with the SAI receiver. Sure, it's cast, but it's cast using modern methods and I never hear of an SAI receiver failing at a rate any different than other receivers. All makers do produce the occasional bad example, the same is true of LRB, 7.62MM, SEI, etc. For that matter, I've never personally had a bad chinese receiver - though admittedly they are usually pretty rough looking.
The nicest SAI rifles are the 1990's era guns (and earlier) made with all USGI parts. Back then they were priced well too, as surplus parts were cheap to acquire and use.
These days, I stick to the M1, though when I competed, I used M14 platform guns. That was back when we had 20 rd unblocked mags though (!) and M14 NM parts were easier to find than M1 NM parts.
For casual range use, I prefer the M1. When I need a scope, I opt for more modern platforms than either the M1 or M14.
The nicest SAI rifles are the 1990's era guns (and earlier) made with all USGI parts. Back then they were priced well too, as surplus parts were cheap to acquire and use.
These days, I stick to the M1, though when I competed, I used M14 platform guns. That was back when we had 20 rd unblocked mags though (!) and M14 NM parts were easier to find than M1 NM parts.
For casual range use, I prefer the M1. When I need a scope, I opt for more modern platforms than either the M1 or M14.
Makes me think that perhaps they all got sold to Norinco...... Post 88 https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1668562-NEW-M305-broke-the-bolt!/page9
SA inc receivers are inferior to norinco from a strength and dimensional perspective. They are investment cast and not made to usgi tolerance, for the most part. That said they are usually well enough made to do a good job and they don't really tend to fail or wear out.
The norinco receiver are made of proper 8620 forgings. Almost everything hanging off their receivers leaves a lot to be desired, but their receivers are made properly to TRW drawings made to Keng's sporting goods specifications from back in 1993. Which means they skimp out on the finish on non critical surfaces. Of course the usgi rifles were rough by modern standard too. Not finished like a commercial m1a.
Fwiw.
Makes me think that perhaps they all got sold to Norinco...... Post 88 https://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1668562-NEW-M305-broke-the-bolt!/page9
Those new chinese bolts are not cast, they are MIM. And also crappy.
