springfield m305
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Ya I just love the looks of the m1A/305 but I'd like to have a useful version of it over a just a boom stick. When I said 3 inch groups I figured that's a fair expectation from the rifle as it will more than likely out shoot me for first while. The reason I'm thinking of getting the m1a is I'd rather spend money on good riffle off bat and not buy a lemon and spend another 500 trying to make it work. I learned this when bought a Mossberg nightrain 2 and wasted 800 bucks when could of gotten a remmy or better with scope for few hundree more
says "the guy".....Use the search function, lots already written about what is discussed. FWIW I used to own a Springfield. I now own a few Norc's in various forms. You want nice looks? Buy the Springfield. Norc's - some are decent out of the box, some not so. However, for a small cost, the upgrading of some of the parts, USGI stock, you can have a real shooter for much less than one spent on a Springfield. Thus spare cash for ammo to practice with, spare mags and another Norc.
Where you get to split hairs is when one starts playing with Kreiger or other similar barrels and installing them on the Norc's. Like I said, Lots has already been written on this.
Where you get to split hairs is when one starts playing with Kreiger or other similar barrels and installing them on the Norc's. Like I said, Lots has already been written on this.
"...Springfield Armory M305..." As mentioned, there's no such thing. 'M1A' is a Springfield TM. Costs a whole bunch more due to it being assembled Stateside by union plugs. You want to spend a couple grand or $400ish?
"...cast, or not as strong..." Nonsense. Your engine block is cast. You consider it not strong enough?
"...a good entry level accuracy rifle..." There's a reason rifles are considered to be entry level. Usually has to do with the quality of the barrel, followed by the fit and finish of lower end materials. Most of Mossberg's rifles are entry level.
"...cast, or not as strong..." Nonsense. Your engine block is cast. You consider it not strong enough?
"...a good entry level accuracy rifle..." There's a reason rifles are considered to be entry level. Usually has to do with the quality of the barrel, followed by the fit and finish of lower end materials. Most of Mossberg's rifles are entry level.
What an odd comparison. You simply cant compare the strength of a 800 pound block or iron to a rifle action.
There is no doubt among anyone who knows anything that the forged version of an item is always stronger than cast - that's the whole point of forging. Why else would they go to the added cost and trouble of forging?
From a metallurgical perspective the Norinko is actually closer to an LRB than a Springfield is.
Perhaps what you are trying to say is more along the line of the forge is not necessary because cast seems to work well enough.
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I took my M1A National Match out to the range this morning with 20 rounds of handloads.
I set up at the 170m (186Y) line since there was no other spot available.
Getting used to looking through a peep sight is quite challenging especially when looking to see an 8" black circle nearly 200y away.
The first 15 rounds were used to zero the rifle.
I pulled 1 shot clean off the paper when I flinched due to the guy next to my left ear touching off a 300 RUM.
The last 4 shots are seen here.
I know that 4.7" at 187y isn't exactly great accuracy but that's the guy behind the trigger who's to blame and not the rifle.
I have logged 70 rounds so far with this rifle and it has been a joy to shoot.
Everywhere I've gone I've had people stop and ask me where I got it and if they could see what it feels like.
I understand that it's a cast receiver but for all intents and purposes it will last me a lifetime with a warranty to back it up.
Virtually nobody on this forum would compare a Noveske or LMT AR-15 to a Norinco and say it can be made to be as good for less money yet everyone tries to say it about the M305.
I have an M305 shorty which will be going with me to the next clinic in Aylmer.
Once the barrel is indexed and the OP rod spring guide, OP rod spring, flash hider, front and rear sights, and stock are replaced I will have a $1,000 copy of a $1,800 standard Springfield rifle which is still no comparison to my National Match.
I'm not saying that the M305 is a bad rifle. It's a great rifle for the money. It's just not a great rifle.
I know somebody who has over $4,500 in a Norinco M305 including a JAE stock and custom everything, different strokes for different folks.
I set up at the 170m (186Y) line since there was no other spot available.
Getting used to looking through a peep sight is quite challenging especially when looking to see an 8" black circle nearly 200y away.
The first 15 rounds were used to zero the rifle.
I pulled 1 shot clean off the paper when I flinched due to the guy next to my left ear touching off a 300 RUM.
The last 4 shots are seen here.
I know that 4.7" at 187y isn't exactly great accuracy but that's the guy behind the trigger who's to blame and not the rifle.
I have logged 70 rounds so far with this rifle and it has been a joy to shoot.
Everywhere I've gone I've had people stop and ask me where I got it and if they could see what it feels like.
I understand that it's a cast receiver but for all intents and purposes it will last me a lifetime with a warranty to back it up.
Virtually nobody on this forum would compare a Noveske or LMT AR-15 to a Norinco and say it can be made to be as good for less money yet everyone tries to say it about the M305.
I have an M305 shorty which will be going with me to the next clinic in Aylmer.
Once the barrel is indexed and the OP rod spring guide, OP rod spring, flash hider, front and rear sights, and stock are replaced I will have a $1,000 copy of a $1,800 standard Springfield rifle which is still no comparison to my National Match.
I'm not saying that the M305 is a bad rifle. It's a great rifle for the money. It's just not a great rifle.
I know somebody who has over $4,500 in a Norinco M305 including a JAE stock and custom everything, different strokes for different folks.
From what I've read on the Case vs Forged reciever is that that a cast receiver will last 350,000 rounds and a forged one will last 400,000. Seriously, if you can put a enough rounds through your file that you will actually wear out an god dam Fn receiver, you can affored to buy a new rifle once the old one wears out. Springfield Amory rifles have a very nice finish. If you want that, buy it. If you want it forged because its "the best" buy it for that. Either way you end up with dam fine rifle. If you can't afford either, buy an tune up a Norinco and it will be just as good.
I took my M1A National Match out to the range this morning with 20 rounds of handloads.
I set up at the 170m (186Y) line since there was no other spot available.
Getting used to looking through a peep sight is quite challenging especially when looking to see an 8" black circle nearly 200y away.
The first 15 rounds were used to zero the rifle.
I pulled 1 shot clean off the paper when I flinched due to the guy next to my left ear touching off a 300 RUM.
The last 4 shots are seen here.
I know that 4.7" at 187y isn't exactly great accuracy but that's the guy behind the trigger who's to blame and not the rifle.
I have logged 70 rounds so far with this rifle and it has been a joy to shoot.
Everywhere I've gone I've had people stop and ask me where I got it and if they could see what it feels like.
I understand that it's a cast receiver but for all intents and purposes it will last me a lifetime with a warranty to back it up.
Virtually nobody on this forum would compare a Noveske or LMT AR-15 to a Norinco and say it can be made to be as good for less money yet everyone tries to say it about the M305.
I have an M305 shorty which will be going with me to the next clinic in Aylmer.
Once the barrel is indexed and the OP rod spring guide, OP rod spring, flash hider, front and rear sights, and stock are replaced I will have a $1,000 copy of a $1,800 standard Springfield rifle which is still no comparison to my National Match.
I'm not saying that the M305 is a bad rifle. It's a great rifle for the money. It's just not a great rifle.
I know somebody who has over $4,500 in a Norinco M305 including a JAE stock and custom everything, different strokes for different folks.
Sir, i could not agree more with your post, those NM M1A are a joy to shoot, and joy in shooting is very important after that all the rest fall inline... JP.
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Buy both and see for yourself. One thing we can all agree on is ; buy a poopload of ammo and get out and shoot them platforms. Better yet, learn to do yer own tweaking for the satisfaction and then hit the crossfit gym classes then get out and compete. All the while having a boatload of fun.
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Cheers, Barney
Do you have any idea what an LRB receiver costs?
The receiver alone is $1,300.00 and a bolt will add another $400 to that. That's if you can find one.
So you're at $1,700.00 without a barrel, stock, trigger group, sights, OP rod and about 50 other small parts.
An LRB National Match complete rifle is $3,500.00 if one becomes available in the next year or 2.
Well - here's some pictures of my grouping I took today.
I shot my LRB M25; scoped with 4.5-14x44 zeiss with Z1000 (love the scope, reticle is bang on at 100m and 200m haven't gone farther 'cause my club tops out at 200m).
I had a heck of a time at the range. I got a neighbor to the left shooting 300 WinMag (or RUM?) with a muzzle brake, and a neighbor to the right shooting 10" AR. I thought I brought two targets, but couldn't find the second and had to use the stickies. It turned out I put them both up because they were stuck to each other. Struggled with the wood blocks and the sandbags (I forgot my bipod at home).
I used Hornady Steel Match ammo.
Anyway... pictures at 100m:
My rifle:
I shot my LRB M25; scoped with 4.5-14x44 zeiss with Z1000 (love the scope, reticle is bang on at 100m and 200m haven't gone farther 'cause my club tops out at 200m).
I had a heck of a time at the range. I got a neighbor to the left shooting 300 WinMag (or RUM?) with a muzzle brake, and a neighbor to the right shooting 10" AR. I thought I brought two targets, but couldn't find the second and had to use the stickies. It turned out I put them both up because they were stuck to each other. Struggled with the wood blocks and the sandbags (I forgot my bipod at home).
I used Hornady Steel Match ammo.
Anyway... pictures at 100m:
My rifle:
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The first question I have is if the rifle is scoped?
My assumption is that it is.
My second question is can we see a pic of this beauty?
I have a hard time seeing a 6" black target on a white background at 100M with peep sights.
I guess it's time to visit the optometrist once again.
My assumption is that it is.
My second question is can we see a pic of this beauty?
I have a hard time seeing a 6" black target on a white background at 100M with peep sights.
I guess it's time to visit the optometrist once again.
I have a springfield m1a's and a couple norinco m305's. As far as accuracy goes I do group better with the m1a but it is a loaded version so its got some perks for accuracy improvement. The biggest thing for me is that springfield has a life time no hassle, no non sense warranty, not that I have had to use it mind you but its still great to have. Also the fit and finish and sights on the m1a are leaps and bounds over the m305, huge difference in fit and finish. When it comes to shooting, the m1a just feels so much better, so much more balanced and even feels like it has less recoil believe it or not. Not that I dont ever shoot the m305's anymore, just ALOT less with the m1a's around. If you have the cash and want a gun for your lifetime that shoots so right get the springfield or better, if you want a decent rifle to upgrade and does the job get a m305, plain and simple. Just my 2 cents.
That is one sweet looking rifle you have there Sir.
I notice you fire 3 rd groups and I'm fine with that, but I was wondering if you have ever shot any 5 round groups and had that bloody awful flyer turn up and open up a nice tight group ?
Im chasing that flyer right now and just wondered if it affects even the high end platforms such as yours.
Bloody nice shooting all the same .
I notice you fire 3 rd groups and I'm fine with that, but I was wondering if you have ever shot any 5 round groups and had that bloody awful flyer turn up and open up a nice tight group ?
Im chasing that flyer right now and just wondered if it affects even the high end platforms such as yours.
Bloody nice shooting all the same .
