Springfield or Norinco?

Nobody commented on the Springfield NM ? I have one and it runs and shoots great . It did freak me out by firing doubles UNTILL I figured out the chamber is tight and commercial Ammo is a no no . I now reload checking every casing with a Wilson case gauge and use #34 CCI primers ,IVI brass and small base sizer. Don't know if that was all the issue but haven't had a scare since . Had some stress about the possibility of a slam fire but am now gaining confidence with the last 2-300 rounds running perfectly . Mine will do an honest 1.5 moa with Berger 155 gr and 2 moa with 168 gr SMK ( with a good scope mounted on a Smith enterprise mount )

Wish I would have read this http://www.m14.ca/seminar/M14_Seminar_EBR.pdf and the reloading for the national match before I had my first problems / scare though and maybe a warning ( I know -I should have researched- but I have impulse purchase disorder ) I don't have a link for the slam fire issue but a pamflet came in the box with my gun . Maybe someone else could post a link - everyone should be aware of the issue IMO
 
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Keithjohn said:
Nobody commented on the Springfield NM ? I have one and it runs and shoots great . It did freak me out by firing doubles UNTILL I figured out the chamber is tight and commercial Ammo is a no no . I now reload checking every casing with a Wilson case gauge and use #34 CCI primers . Don't know if that was all the issue but haven't had a scare since . Had some stress about the possibility of a slam fire but am now gaining confidence with the last 2-300 rounds running perfectly . Mine will do an honest 1.5 moa with Berger 155 gr and 2 moa with 168 gr SMK

Wish I would have read this http://www.m14.ca/seminar/M14_Seminar_EBR.pdf
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Commercial ammo or not, your rifle shouldn't have doubled...

Have you figured out why it was doing this? Other than the "ammo", I mean. Because a well put together rifle should digest any ammo in its weight class irregardless of type of components or what-not.
 
To m14 medic -I found some factory rounds were to big for the chamber they would not always double but by loading 2 at a time and watching the bolt I observed the bolt not closing completely , once I got my case gauge I found some factory loads were to big as my chamber is minimum spec . I use small base sizer now also . Also as others have found when unloading a chambered round the primers were dented thus the cci #34 primers . I only tryed the first box of factory rounds and had a double and then a couple that didn't fire which I now believe was the safety bridge after finding the bolt not closing completely ?? Please pm me your phone # for more discussion - I did have doubles with hirtenberger before case gauge aquired , also found to big after

I found the link to reloading and Ammo for the national match , im going by all his recommendations and cautions now - I hope I don't have any other problem - I now only use carefully made reloads per ¥¥
http://www.m14.ca/reloading/14_loading.pdf
 
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too small a head space is more dangerous than too large. why such a tight chamber designed for precision bolt action. the m14 action is one of the quickest and most violent cycling actions out there. make life easier for yourself, send the rifle to m14 and have the chamber opened up a bit. that being said, the doubling may be your trigger technique.
 
I have a number of semi auto rifles and to check each of them for slam firing or doubling I have done the following:

Resize a case and check it in the case gauge,trim to length,than put in a live primer,NO powder and seat a bullet that I have drilled lengthwise in the lathe from base to tip with a small hole.
Take the extractor out of the bolt,feed the round from the magazine or just chamber the round and let the bolt fly home.
If the firing pin leaves just a tiny little dent in the primer the gun should not slam fire,if the primer goes off then there will be no harm done since the bullet is drilled but there is a problem that needs to be addressed.
I only use CCI 200 primers,long time ago I had a couple of slam fires with Federals so I quit using them!
 
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too small a head space is more dangerous than too large. why such a tight chamber designed for precision bolt action. the m14 action is one of the quickest and most violent cycling actions out there. make life easier for yourself, send the rifle to m14 and have the chamber opened up a bit. that being said, the doubling may be your trigger technique.
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I did buy the gun with extra precision in mind ( I think that's what the NM is for ) like I said I do wish I had read and researched more , so here's Me trying to help others -http://www.m14.ca/reloading/14_loading.pdf - I put this in to aid others HIGHLY recommended -- it also covers trigger control which can be a concern but not dangerous as improper Ammo may

http://www.m14.ca/reloading/14_loading.pdf

This one is more to the ops question
http://www.m14.ca/seminar/M14_Seminar_EBR.pdf

I have since found many more articles from reputable authors which has taught me a lot
M14.ca hs a lot of material on there site among others
If I had a do over after buying mine and reading ALOT I would get a M305 and learn on that
All being said I do enjoy my NM now and feel more secure running reloads with
IVI brass
#34 primers
Proper info and tools ( case gauge , small base sizer and uniform primer pocket tool )
I still have much more to learn I'm sure
 
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When I first shot my M305 it doubled a couple times. However, when I held the trigger back (after firing a round) the rifle did not double.

Like 1-trident-1 mentioned...it was due to my trigger technique (Got used to the trigger reset on my Glock). The violent slamming of the bolt would jolt my trigger finger....setting off another round.
 
My vote would be for a norinco. I. been shooting them since 1996 I have put a lot of ammo through them.
 
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This thread has been quite helpful for me. I believe I'm leaning towards a norinco myself now and then sending it out for some tweaking.
 
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