Springfield VS Norinco

Springfield M1 Or Norinco 305

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I think it is very intersting that of both options, one is priced higher due to one government's increase in export laws, and the other is cheaper because of one government's few export laws.

And if there is anything I have learned from governments, things change.

I managed to get a Springfield SOCOM 16 at a good price; I'm very happy with it. I was pretty close to picking up a tuned up Norc Sniper rifle in the trading section a few weeks ago. Eventually I will get one, no doubt.

But don't be surprised to come back to this thread one day and one or both of these options are both priced out of reach or worse, completely unavailable. I've already seen the signs of tell-tale international trade wars brewing so just give it time. Rather than flame the name brand war I'd also start scooping up the great priced .308 ammo floating around right now because once that's gone, you're not going to be able to afford having fun with any .308 rifle, let alone debate.

My 2 cents.

jim
 
I totally agree with you. That's the main reason I bought one recently. I have been watching those since 2006. Finally I decide to buy one before it is too late.

JIMDICE said:
I think it is very intersting that of both options, one is priced higher due to one government's increase in export laws, and the other is cheaper because of one government's few export laws.

And if there is anything I have learned from governments, things change.

I managed to get a Springfield SOCOM 16 at a good price; I'm very happy with it. I was pretty close to picking up a tuned up Norc Sniper rifle in the trading section a few weeks ago. Eventually I will get one, no doubt.

But don't be surprised to come back to this thread one day and one or both of these options are both priced out of reach or worse, completely unavailable. I've already seen the signs of tell-tale international trade wars brewing so just give it time. Rather than flame the name brand war I'd also start scooping up the great priced .308 ammo floating around right now because once that's gone, you're not going to be able to afford having fun with any .308 rifle, let alone debate.

My 2 cents.

jim
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I wasn't gonna wade into it too much but here goes.
I have built over a dozen all usgi match barrelled high end rifles this year on chinese forged, receivers. These receivers have been proven to be with usgi spec for dimension and hardness by some of the best in the U.S. M14/M1A industry.
Master builders in the US have documented many complaints about machining flaws and other shortcomings of the commercial cast receivers, machined by springfield armory inc.
As a builder, only dealing with this platform, not one of my clients regret starting with a norinco for their build.
However distasteful purchasing a chinese made M14 is to some folks.... This is what I have to say to you.
You want to start with the best "availlable" item that is known to be a quality item both dimensionally and in hardness... The chinese receiver is a no brainer.
If money is not an issue, and time line is not an issue, this is my list in order of my personal preference.
1) Chinese receiver- gives a hassle free build with excellent compatability with premium usgi spec parts and match barrels using standard NM armorers methods. No alterations to receiver required other tha bolt lapping.
2) LRB Arms- high cost (1200 to 1500 landed) - outstanding quality. Some extra fitting may be required for barrel torque face, inside receiver hood(heel) , oprod track at rear and take down notch. Otherwise, excellent compatabilty with premium aftermarket parts.
3)Smith enterprise.... Haven't held one yet and they are working out some kinks. I'm sure it will be exceptional.
 
I still like to fondle my old M1A's from many years ago! The photograph 'oh so nicely'. :D On my budget, it's gonna have to be a Norinco-Plinko ! ;)

Work with what you can afford! :D

:cheers:

Barney
 
A few years back the wife went to the local fun stores looking for a Springfield for my Bday present.......she came back with an SL8:confused: I didn't complain:D

The thought of buying a Commie gun makes me sick (i sucked it up and got a norc AR) but seeing how M14Doc speaks so highly of them I just might have to break down and get one.....after I've completed my AR10 build.
 
If I was asked this question a few years ago I would definitely say Springfield. I once owned a Norinco and it shot alright. I've been educated lately about the differences between the Springfields of today and the Norincos. Buy a Norinco and super-modify it as your budget allows. Cast receivers and out of spec tolerances from a $2000 rifle doesn't interest me. However...I was lucky to have found a very, very early s/n Sprinfield Nat'l match with all the right parts, specs etc. It is a true Nat'l match and shoots like no other gas gun I've had before. I even paid less than what a Standard M1A costs today. I was very lucky and perhaps a once in a life time event. Keep your eyes open and perhaps you can find something similar if you're patient and have your heart set on a Springfield.

OR...

You should buy an LRB receiver and build the best M1A ever! That's what I might do eventually. I'll take the parts from my Springfield and put them on the LRB receiver. If you're considering buying a Springfield Supermatch definitely consider importing and LRB. There is a thread about this here so do a search and check it out. Seriously.
 
Springfield.

Not that the Norinco doesn't offer great value for money it's just that I chose to avoid buying anything made in China whenever I can - even if it means spending more money.

I see lots of comments about socialist this and communist that but our so-called philosophical stands go right out the window if it means saving a few bucks. Next time you read about a factory closing in Canada and production heading off to some commie PacRim country take comfort in knowing that buying Chinese / Vietnamese etc products just makes it easier for the big corporations to go global.

BTW - I drive a Chevy that was assembled in Oshawa, what's in your driveway?
 
Brian Sharpe said:
Springfield.

Not that the Norinco doesn't offer great value for money it's just that I chose to avoid buying anything made in China whenever I can - even if it means spending more money.

I see lots of comments about socialist this and communist that but our so-called philosophical stands go right out the window if it means saving a few bucks. Next time you read about a factory closing in Canada and production heading off to some commie PacRim country take comfort in knowing that buying Chinese / Vietnamese etc products just makes it easier for the big corporations to go global.

BTW - I drive a Chevy that was assembled in Oshawa, what's in your driveway?
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I don't see it that way. I see it as poetic justice to use a Chinese made firearm against them in the future. :D

Hell, how much do we buy that doesn't come from China? Very little these days.

NA vehicles only for me. My father worked for Chrysler for 40 years. I have a new Ford pickup in the driveway. Eyeing a Challenger for next year. Always wanted one as a kid.
 
JIMDICE said:
I think it is very intersting that of both options, one is priced higher due to one government's increase in export laws, and the other is cheaper because of one government's few export laws.

And if there is anything I have learned from governments, things change.

I managed to get a Springfield SOCOM 16 at a good price; I'm very happy with it. I was pretty close to picking up a tuned up Norc Sniper rifle in the trading section a few weeks ago. Eventually I will get one, no doubt.

But don't be surprised to come back to this thread one day and one or both of these options are both priced out of reach or worse, completely unavailable. I've already seen the signs of tell-tale international trade wars brewing so just give it time. Rather than flame the name brand war I'd also start scooping up the great priced .308 ammo floating around right now because once that's gone, you're not going to be able to afford having fun with any .308 rifle, let alone debate.

My 2 cents.

jim
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The antis are realizing they will never disarm us. So the next best hope for them is cut off the ammo supply. That may have already started. Stock up. I have 380 rounds of 308 in an old ammo box, that's off to the side. I also bought 1400 762x39 for my CZ, one tin is "put away".
 
Brian Sharpe said:
Springfield.

Not that the Norinco doesn't offer great value for money it's just that I chose to avoid buying anything made in China whenever I can - even if it means spending more money.

I see lots of comments about socialist this and communist that but our so-called philosophical stands go right out the window if it means saving a few bucks. Next time you read about a factory closing in Canada and production heading off to some commie PacRim country take comfort in knowing that buying Chinese / Vietnamese etc products just makes it easier for the big corporations to go global.

BTW - I drive a Chevy that was assembled in Oshawa, what's in your driveway?
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Have a look where your computer and the keyboard you are typing on is made...........My guess is...CHINA........along with most of the other electronics in your house...........You can't escape it....... ;)

Your Springfield has cast parts made in Taiwan............but a receiver cast in Quebec...........

BTW, I have a Dodge Charger in my Driveway.......Made in Brampton Ont.......
 
hmmmm, this post just jumped into this inescapable vacuum. I own 3 Fords, it says they were ASSEMBLED in Canada and US. I also own a Jeep and my son owns a Dodge. They too state clearly that they were ASSEMBLED in Canada.

Funny thing is (and it is truly ironic) how most of the components of those vehicles have parts manufactured and outsourced to cheap labour countries in South America, Korea, other Asian Countries and yes, INCLUDING China.

Go Figure!

My M14....Parts made in China and USA and ASSEMBLED in my basement. :D

Get the point?!? ;) :puke:
 
How much truth is there to Springfield's cast parts has it been confirmed with Springfield to be true why would they make something low grade and put it in the hands of our army who's life depend on it to defend our country and themselves??????? Yes there is a lot [ M1As ] still being used rather then the 223 gopher guns.
 
Long Range Canuck said:
What I have been reading is the general opinion on this board is that the Norinco is right up there with the Springfield with big savings in dollars.
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Canuck - I think you are just getting silly here. I've seen no-one on this site argue that the Norincos were the equivalent of the Springfields in terms of build quality.

What I have seen is that many would say that the Norincos are great value in comparison to the Springfields. There are many examples of Norincos that have been tweaked and modified to shoot as well as any Springfield. You don't seem to be the kind of buyer who wants an inexpensive rifle that he can work on at home and tweak to his heart's content. Buy what you want and leave others to what they enjoy.
 
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