squires bingham pps-50

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hey, i just acquired a pps-50 its got a little pitting on the bolt carrier you might see that in the photos but other than that seems to be in pretty good shape... i was just wondering if anyone could give me any information on this little guy and maby what its worth?
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Lucky b*stard. Got a mag for it?

I'd easily pay $350.00 for one. I'm not sure what they go for, however, because I've never seen one for sale.
 
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yeah it was my dads but he never renewed his FAC so i got a PAL and registered it and his winchester 1300 under my name to make them legal again.:dancingbanana: haha yep got a mag (in the picture)
 
Got one...

My PPS-50 is the one made by Pietta of Italy, NOT the Philippines-made Squires. The Pietta is a VERY high quality gun. Beautifully made! I've got both drum and banana mags with it. As for prices, I sold one of my extra bananas a couple years ago for $75. I heard some drums were sold by Numrich several years ago for $350 each, but can't vouch for that.

And a couple of years ago I saw a gun offered offered on GunsAmerica.com for $1,250, and a drum for nearly as much!!! They were only on there for a VERY few days so don't know if they sold at that or not.

I'm getting rid of mine shortly and want at least $800 for it and the two mags. It appears unfired, excellent. Box still has the formed foam packing, and I later bought a 1958 catalog that came from Bingham of Atlanta, GA. That also goes with it, as well as an original packaged drum loader. Below is pic of the gun. It's the US version with the longer barrel.

Best regards from the "Gunshine State" ~ ~ ~ mauser

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Yes, I carry a gun, 'cause a cop is too heavy.
 
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It looks cool,
but is a loooong way from the PPS look
(PPS didn't have any wood).
It's long way from the PPSh look too,
because PPSh didn't have wood in front of the mag.
The way it looks like in the above pic is very-very close to
another Russian SMG, the PPD.

The price you are saying about in your post is crazy IMO :eek:
Do you happen to have pics of the gun including the muzzle, please?
 
The Phillipine made SB is just their basic Model 20 semi auto .22 with a ventilated barrel jacket. They dressed up the M20 to vaguely resemble M16s and AKs as well. But it is basically just another SB M20.
The Italian made version is a horse of a different colour. A chap named John Farmer from Hard Times Armory in TN was involved with the design; he offered selective fire versions for an additional $175. There was also a variation with no perforations in the barrel jacket, and a full length integral suppressor. Mechanically, the design is not unlike an AR-7, with a more sophisticated trigger mechanism.
 
Huh?

Hey, Hannibal! Whatcha' smokin' boy? There are TWO PPS-50s pictured here, and I don't know if you noticed or not, but BOTH have the wood you say ain't there!!! (?)

I owned an original Russki PPSh several decades ago and there too I had both drum and stick mags for it. It too had wood in front of the mag well! Only ones I've ever seen had that wood. Can't figure what gun you're talking about. Got any pics of it?

Price I quoted is par for the course - HERE. Collectors don't see too many Piettas available down here. There were always lots of gun bargains up yonder, compared to here! I spent 18 years in BC and REALLY enjoyed collecting guns and antique .22rf ammo boxes. Sold out almost everything to Tom Bongalis in Vancouver before returning South.

As for a pic REALLY showing this PPS-50's snout, here you go.

Best regards ~ ~ ~ mauser

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PPShs have no wood in front of the magazine. The PPD series do. The Piettas do. The Piettas resemble the PPDs more than a PPSh.
Don't know why yours has that barrel. Unless I am mistaken, minimum barrel length for a rifled longarm in the US is 16+".
 
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Hey, Hannibal! Whatcha' smokin' boy? There are TWO PPS-50s pictured here, and I don't know if you noticed or not, but BOTH have the wood you say ain't there!!! (?)

I owned an original Russki PPSh several decades ago and there too I had both drum and stick mags for it. It too had wood in front of the mag well! Only ones I've ever seen had that wood. Can't figure what gun you're talking about. Got any pics of it?

Price I quoted is par for the course - HERE. Collectors don't see too many Piettas available down here. There were always lots of gun bargains up yonder, compared to here! I spent 18 years in BC and REALLY enjoyed collecting guns and antique .22rf ammo boxes. Sold out almost everything to Tom Bongalis in Vancouver before returning South.

As for a pic REALLY showing this PPS-50's snout, here you go.

Best regards ~ ~ ~ mauser

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I’m smoking only tobacco, as I have some allergic reaction to pot.
I wish I could smoke pot instead of this tobacco sh!t
(as I live in BC, the Western capital of pot) :)



Well, I was talking about the original name of the Russian SMG's,
not about the Squires or Pietta product denomination.
The Rusky you say you had was probably a PPD
(if you say it had wood in front of the mag).


There is always some confusion about the Russian SMG’s of that era.
PPD, PPSh and PPS are 3 different groups of SMG’s.





To support the statements in my previous post
and to try to dissipate the confusion:

PPD (Deghtyarev) is the original Russian SMG
that your .22 gun resembles the most (at least IMO),
more precisely the PPD-40,
(if you look at the way the mag is hold in the receiver).
Russians copied some Bergmann design while
slightly modding the feed.
http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg01-e.htm





PPSh (Shpagin) did not have wood in the front of the mag.
It was designed in a hurry and rushed into production in the
urging conditions of the early war.
It was the “workhorse” SMG of the Red Army.
http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg02-e.htm




PPS (Sudaev) did not have wood at all (stamped and machined
metal only, heavy influenced by the most modern
German way of thinking in firearms engineering of that time).
It was copied by a whole bunch after the war,
Finland, Spain, China, Vietnam, Hungary
and even W-Germany among many others.
http://world.guns.ru/smg/smg03-e.htm




I have also tried (with my modest abilities
and pics stolen from the net)
to explain these differences in post #22
of this very interesting thread:
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php?t=234098&page=3



Thank you for the integral pic of your gun :)







Thank you Tiriaq for your legendary help and valuable input,
like you always did in this forum :)
 
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Very Informative

I'm not a big SMG fan - except always loved the Schmeisser MP-40 AND any little .22rf military look-alikes. I'm certainly not as well-versed as you on the full-auto genre of iron. Thanks for the lessons.

As for your pot allergy and BC, I lived in the Comox Valley, a.k.a. "International Shroom Heaven." Worked in coastal "10-days-in-4-days-out" type of logging camps so was well acquainted with various ilicit "goodies." Luckily the weed had absolutely NO affect on me, so had no interest. One shroom sandwich cured me of any further desire for that junk. And, nothing else along those lines was ever of any interest.

However, am paying for 50 years of addiction to the cancer sticks. Four packs a day so now liviing with emphysema. Quit nearly 15 years ago, but too late. Damage was done. If you ain't already - give it up.

Best regards ~ ~ ~ mauser

Here's one of my favorites. The .22rf A3 by Auto-Ordnance. (this one's 1978 vintage)
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