SR22 vs. 10/22 archangel AA556R Questions

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Hi guys,

Deciding on either the Ruger Sr-22 Rifle or 10/22 with a Archangel AA556R kit; tried Googling my questions, but nothing really helped so I figured I'd ask here:

1) Can the SR22 OR Archangel AA556R pistol grip, telescopic stock, and/or handguard be removed and swapped with AR parts? (ie. a magpul stock/pistol grip, and/or a freefloating m4 handguard?) Or are those parts for both rifles non-interchangeable?

EDIT: looks like the stock/pistol grip is able to be interchanged for the SR-22; anyone know about the handguard for the SR-22 AND the rest of the parts for the AA556R?

2) Both can take any type of 10/22 magazine correct?
3) Can the SR22's internal parts (barrel, bolt) be swapped out and used in an Archangel 10/22 Nomad (G36 clone) kit?

I like accessorising my stuff and changing parts in/out, therefore I'm looking for the most cost effective, yet, best way where I can swap parts and kits around at ease.

thanks!
 
An SR is an overpriced 10/22. Imo if your going to be swapping parts, why not just build one? It would save you about $200.
The main parts on an sr is the shorter barrel and metal receiver. I dont know for sure about the grip or forend but I believe they are all swappable.Rimefire central would have the answer.
There it fitting issues with both stocks for some aftermarket mags. It just means you have to file the mag well for fitting.
Hope you find what youre looking for.
 
In the end it's still a 10/22.
If you're really going to use it (by that I mean buy a bunch of 25 or more round mags and pump lead through it) It likely will not take too long for you to curse your decision to want a tacticool 10/22.
Taking either of these apart to clean (which you will need to do no matter what IF you use it often) will probably seem like a pain in the ass before too long. My point being, if you stop using it often due to the prospect of cleaning. You will negate the reason for purchasing it in the first place.
IMHO you will not save much other than weight if you buy the Archangel kit after you factor in the price of the stock.
It all depends on several things:
Do you care about weight? The SR-22 will be noticeably heavier.
Are you going to be OK with the factory pencil #### barrel with front sight attached on the Archangel?
If you don't like the barrel with either choice you can add 200$ right of the bat.
Are you OK with a plastic shell? (in both cases the LOOK is achieved by a shell)
Are you concerned with resale value? SR-22 might have an advantage here.
Will you change your mind on how much you're willing to invest in this rifle after swapping out most of the internals?

IF you go with a SR-22 and end up swapping out a bunch of parts you can VERY easily exceed 1000$

Which could put you where I am now. A super cool unrestricted, looks a lot like an AR. 10/22 that I am mildly reluctant to use because it's a pain to clean and leaves a slightly acidic taste in my mouth when I add up all the hard earned money I've spent on it.

If you have money to burn, Dlask arms will spark the fire with some quality barrels and handguards etc.etc.etc.

If I was to do it all again, I think I would hog out the barrel channel on my factory stock to clear a fat relatively short barrel. Swap out the factory extractor. Do a trigger job with maybe a hammer swap and call it a day.

Remember one thing, it's all about having fun. And if you're not USING your gun. You're not having fun.
Just my .02 cents.
 
To answer the original questions:
1) Yes, any Ar-15 stock, pistol grip or free float hand guard can be installed on the SR-22 (I don't know about the Archangel). With additional modifications you can also mount 2 piece hand guards on the SR-22 (see pic below).
2) Yes
3) Bolt; yes, Barrel: again not sure about the Archangel

pm gcdavidson, he has tons of experience modifying the SR-22, Nordic and Archangel, here are some of his builds:
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Well I went thru the exact same questions.

What I did was shoot the SR22 and a stock 10/22.

I then took both apart and compared them.What I found is like everyone here says is the SR22 is still a 10/22 in the end.

The SR22 all metal aftermarket kit that Ruger bolts on is pretty good but it is heavy. What I did not like was the fact that the SR22 is over 650.00 and what see is what you get. If they ever change the laws against black guns or you do not want a heavy gun to pack around the fields then this may not be what you want.

So what I ended up doing was buy a cheap 10/22 269.00 while my friend bought an SR22 for 650.00. So he added a scope but was unhappy with the high cost for picatinny rails!!!

He complains about how much it weighs and ended buying another wood stocked 10/22. Now he has two.

I on the other hand being on a budget took my time building up my 10/22.

So I found a used Arch Angel stock kit for 140.00 shipped, a Ruger Charger 10" barrel for 80.00,metal rails from China 20.00, metal sights 30.00 from China, old scope I had, Chinese sling and 20mm mounts 15.00, and used AR stock and fore grip I had left over from AR builds.

I have to tell you this set up is such a great combo shooting gophers!!!

It is light, it is accurate, and even with the factory 10" Ruger barrel I can shoot just as well as the long barrelled 10/22s and SR22! Best thing thing I can go back to a long barrel and a wood stock which is not an option with the SR22.

Anyways after 2 years I know I have a winning combination, but here is also something to ponder. The Archangel stock is plastic! I do not like Poly guns that is why I do not own a Glock and a all metal pistol. Everyone says they flex well I have to say after I attached the top metal rails and snugged the allen bolts down I have no accuracy issues and as a plus it is way nicer on my face to shoot in the cold as opposed to my friend's all metal SR22. :( The Archangel buffer tube is fixed but can use AR stocks, the pistol is fixed but feels great, and here is what I like the front hand guard takes cheap 20mm side rails and has top bottom 20mm rails already in place unlike the SR22s. :(

So do your research and try both at the range if you can just remember at the end of the day it's always going to be a common 10/22 so dropping a grand on a SR22 by the time you rail it and add other parts made me really think about it.




My .02......

Randy
 
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You guys paid $650 for an SR22 ouch.I bought 2 in February for $495 each.I have only added a bolt buffer $5 and a volquartsen extractor $20.I have an older all metal trigger 10/22 carbine.I topped the SR with a Nikon 150bdc $200.Tapped an old picatinny rail I got free to the bottom hand guard.A grand I don't think so.I'm into it for about $750.Looks great shoots increadably well,all metal,rarely has any FTF or jams with my 20 year old Butler crk 25 round mags.Trigger job is only $60 by a local gunsmith that guarantee s his work.My carbine is a great shooter but gets left most of the time for the SR.Cleaning r u kidding 2 bolts and its all apart.
 
$750 + taxes and maybe shipping = $850ish
Add some mags, forgrip and a bipod and your @1k+
Ive seen alot of people then want a new barrel, either shorter or less weight. = $250-$300
It can add up fast.
Most important thing is to have fun and shoot the darn thing. Plus hope that all the add ons dont add ftf/fte issues.
 
My buddy did a 2.5 pound trigger job on my 10/22 and I added a bolt buffer as well.

As with my last 10/22 I never really take them apart I do a few push thrus on the barrel and a Q Tip the bolt area that's about it.

As said just buy what you and enjoy its always going to be a 10/22 no matter what you do to it or tell yourself. :)

Randy
 
I started with a 1022,cost $350. I have since ordered a Nordic chassis ,$$280.. Rails $160 pistolgrip $30.. Have a tac sol silver barrel on order $300, anodizing removed from receiver and then ceramic clear coated being done , another $100. May as we'll drop in a Timmy trigger group$250 ( next month when I save some more cash). That's up towards $1500 + txs. Oh ya another $50 for a flash hider. Just wondering... What would the FRT # be on this now... Is it still a 10 22?
 
thanks for the responses everybody - seems like the general consensus is lots of intel on the SR22, but not the Archangel kit. Can anyone comment on the Archangel AA556R kit? particularly, the ability to remove the handguard/grip/stock for it?

I am leaning leaning towards the AA setup - I do like the fact it's lighter which will enable me to take it in the bush with friends to plink with, but being an NR with an AR15-look. However, what's stopping me is the ability to swap out parts and such.

thanks again.
 
So the Archangel kit will take any sliding AR stock, but you cannot swap out the pistol grip but then again has finger grooves and is comfortable so not an issue (AR grips like this cost between 25 and 50.00 anyways).

The front Archangel hand guard unbolts with the removal of 2 allen bolts similar to the SR22 stock, and similar to the SR22 stocks just about any AR M4 style front assembly can be modified to fit.

Do M4 or CAR 15 parts other than the pistol grip or sliding stock fit either stock not really. If you use standard 20mm accessories they will slide on the Archangel, if you add the SR22 expensive 20mm rails than you can also bolt on parts.

Any 10/22 style mag will work with both stocks including drums with a little bit of fitting. Once again optics that have 20mm mounts work with both stocks.

So as far as swapping parts in the field really doesn't happen for me,once I found that the CAA stock felt better and had a adjustable cheek riser for using the scope it stayed on. Once I found a 1/2 point sling it stayed as well.

The only thing that you might swap out is optics but then again my cheap 3x9 with Mildots allows me to reach out to 100 yards (I just use the dots) pretty easy.

I do swap out a 20mm bipod sometimes but that's about it.

The best mods are installing the extended mag release (comes with the Archangel kit) lightening the trigger, and doing the auto bolt release.

If you have the money and don't care about the more weight the metal stock is beefier, but than again after I added the top 20mm rail that locked the front fore end to the main stock it is very rigid!

After 2 years of hard shooting winter,spring, summer, and fall, after being dropped and bounced around in my FJ while driving the fields it is holding up fine. Once again the this poly stock is more comfortable to shoot in winter compared to my all metal CAR15.

So either way both have there pros and cons, biggest weight lose is from the 10" Ruger Charger barrel, if you can find one and they will ship it from the States they are around 80 to 120 bucks. You lose a bit of velocity but the gophers still get opened up just fine. :)

When I had the long stock barrel I had my buddy thread the barrel and I bought slip over mock suppressor to look better.

Whatever you choose it is still a 10/22 under the Poly or Metal.

Here is a stock from EE maybe start with this then snag a 10/22?

http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1074039-AS-NEW-10-22-Archangel-Stock-Kit

Randy
 
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Im guessing you want a AR-15 looking 10/22. I wanted the same thing but did my background work like you did. I wasnt impressed with the final weight of the 10/22. I wanted the lightest 10/22 but tacticool looking.
I went with an axiom stock and tacsol barrel. With a trs-25 and loaded mag its 3.75lbs. Almost every build Ive seen is more than 6lbs.
If your shooting offhand or walking far with it. Weight counts.
Hope you fine what your looking for!
 
Ok I did not say the Archangel buffer tube was replaceable only that buttstock could be replaced, it just slides off and you slide another on, don't know if I would spend the money to swap a buffer tube? Also forgot to mention the pistol has a trap door and compartment in the buffer tube for storage.

Neither the SR22 or Archangel foregrips easily swap out to different handguards require fitting/modding.

Both the SR22 and Archangel handguards are free floating.

Here are some pics close up.

Just remember spending the extra money will get you a all metal Troy stock.

Randy
 
Ok I did not say the Archangel buffer tube was replaceable only that buttstock could be replaced, it just slides off and you slide another on, don't know if I would spend the money to swap a buffer tube? Also forgot to mention the pistol has a trap door and compartment in the buffer tube for storage.

Neither the SR22 or Archangel foregrips ( 2 bolt mounting NOT M4 slip rings) easily swap out to different handguards used on ARs (use slip rings) and require fitting/modding.

Both the SR22 and Archangel handguards are free floating.

Here are some pics close up.






Archangel:



Just remember spending the extra money will get you a all metal Troy stock.

Randy
 
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randyhub said:
...Neither the SR22 or Archangel foregrips easily swap out to different handguards require fitting/modding. Randy
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That has not been my experience - the SR-22 can easily be fitted with different free float hand guards. This is the same rifle and barrel in each picture. only the hand guards are changed plus a fake suppressor was added on the first configuration to provide a barrel extension:
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