SR9 and IPSC: Striker fired "hammer down"?
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You don't have to incur the expenses of having the magazine safety de-activated just because the process appears complicated for IPSC. I am an IPSC RO and it does'nt bother me at all to see someone insert an empty aga to perform that operation. When I instruct candidates on the BB course about these guns, I suggest they use an extra magazine as ''stripper clip''. It is loaded with only one round and used on the initial "Load and make ready" to chamber a round and allow you to insert a full mag without extra gun handling. That magazine ia then empty and available for the "Hammer down" portion at the end of the stage. Don't worry about the time required, there ia a lot more wasred time in IPSC with the "ritual" that some shooters perform before the start.
I don't see anything there about this.
http://www.ipsc.org/rules/rules_faq.php#production
Am I looking in the right place?
Okay this is good information, thanks.
Your post makes no sense. If you treat all firearms as is they're loaded like you SHOULD BE DOING. There won't be a problem. We don't point firearms at anything we aren't willing to destroy, and we don't depress the trigger until our sights are aligned with that object and you've made the CONSCIOUS DECISION TO FIRE. So tell me again where the problem is with rule one "all guns are always loaded"? I've met a good number of folks who've had negligent discharges and not one believed their pistol was loaded, yet every one of them pulled the trigger. So, if you keep your finger off the trigger until ready to fire(see above) and treat all firearms as if they are loaded, these ND's wouldn't occur.
TDC
ETA: As for the SR9, remove the disco, its a waste of engineering.
Perhaps I didn't explain fully. In IPSC you may not have your gun loaded until you are given the LAMR command. If at this point a round pops out of your gun you had your gun loaded since the last stage and were not on the firing line and under the command of an RO. This would cause you to be DQ'd and you'd go home. A visual check of the chamber by you and the RO should be sufficient, however the added step of pulling the trigger removes all doubt. I have seen a couple occasion of guns going boom when they should have gone click. Not common, but it happens.
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I never did answer your question. No you cannot disable the mag safety. I'm looking for sources right now to back that statement up and will post them shortly.
If you are a member of GV here is the link. If you're not, here is the quote.
http://ipsc.invisionzone.com/index.php?showtopic=12793&view=findpost&p=129518
Vince Pinto said:
I'm well aware of how the ignorant rules work at a match. If a visual check was sufficient then why are there still ND's?? If you didn't PULL THE TRIGGER it wouldn't occur. The trigger serves one purpose, discharging the firearm. If you aren't intending to fire then DON'T pull the trigger.
I've shot a fair number of competitions and sadly the rules were similar however, there was no prerequisite course such as "black badge" required and I've only witnessed one ND. All the training courses I've taken were run with hot ranges and no one got shot, weird huh?
TDC
I don't make the Rules. As with any sport if you don't like the rules, don't play it. Simple as that. So, if you're at a match and walking around with a loaded gun and not told to do so by an RO, you're breaking a rule. Don't like it? Don't play the game.
I'm not trying to argue with you. I'm simply telling you the rules of the game I love to play!
Okay I guess to be safe I should leave the mag disconnect alone and make sure the RO knows that I have to insert an empty magazine to dry fire it to show it is empty. Okay. Still sounds like a hassle.
Maybe my Shadow will get here in time for my qualifier match or I will stick with my Norc.
Maybe my Shadow will get here in time for my qualifier match or I will stick with my Norc.
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I'm an RO too. It's not that huge of a deal actually. Someone else said it, use a stripper mag with one round. Chamber one round with that mag, hand that mag to the RO (ask him first). At the unload and show clear, RO hands back your empty mag and you use that for the hammer down and holster.
Ah okay so I should pick up an extra mag for this purpose... If the longest course of fire is what .. 32 shots? Then four mags for shooting and one extra for this purpose would be enough then?
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It still may not be enough depending on the COF you may do more mag changes, or you may lose a mag due to a malfunction or accidently dropping one. Most shooters have a 5 or 6 mags min, some even more. You don't have to have all of them loaded and on your belt unless you want to. Having more gives you more options and some wiggle room.
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What he said. Personally I have 5 on my belt and 1 in the gun, so carrying 6 with me. You just never know when a mag might fail, or you drop one, or or or ... Better to have 2 too many than 1 too few
MY question is why those who compete aren't challenging such ignorant rules? There is nothing safe about instilling more rules that have proven to be useless. Just saying.
TDC
Looks like I was confused about the safety. I was thinking about using the safety AND starting with the hammer fully cocked, which puts a competitor in Standard. Since you're striker fired (double action according to the IPSC rulebook, I believe) that can't apply to you. I don't see any rule regulating the use of the safety aside from the one stating that the safety must be applied if your starting condition is with the hammer fully cocked. So as others noted, it should be optional in your case.
FWIW, I don't see a rule specifically about the removal of the mag disconnect. You could always ask the match director for permission. Maybe ndb86 will have more info.
Five or six loaded mags is a good idea. As you noted, you don't need them if you're just getting your feet wet, but you'll probably find that you want them pretty quick if you stick with IPSC. Mag changes are choreographed (you often change mags when you're moving, not necessarily when you run dry), and you might occasionally miss more than a few shots. Running out of ammo resulting in mikes or worse, mikes and FTEs is very costly...
