SR9 or SAM 1911

icelink said:
The only 1911 is a .45
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True of course but this hardly needs to be stated. You must know by now that the term "1911" is used in common language to describe the "1911 platform". Not unlike "Kleenex" is used to describe a "tissue".

icelink said:
...the only reason why people praise them on here is cause of the price...
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You don't know why people praise them (SAM I am speaking of) because your mind is closed to hearing anything good anyone has to say about them.

icelink said:
If they were 750$ noone would touch them
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Although it is true they are well priced, the reason that makes them a bargain is because they (SAM I am speaking of) offer a comparable product for a lower price. I also have a Kimber .45 ACP in the 1911 platform (sorry, not a Colt) and the SAM I have is just as tight, just as nice handling and just as consistent shooting. Also, the SAM is built as a "series 70", which many "hi end?" manfacturers (including Kimber) do not. Based on the quality of my SAM, it would not be out of line for it to be priced at $750. It may not be the bargain it is at its current pricing, but it would not be out of line.

It is cool that you have an opinion but it doesn't carry much weight until you can say you have experienced one (a SAM I am speaking of) first hand. You sure have a hate on.
 
A polished stainless SAM at $750 would be a better buy than an SR1911 at the same price, and look as good once you swap the grips.

Just saying. My SR is a keeper, because I love the aesthetics and it shoots straight. Doing it again with a choice between it and a Thunderbolt, if they were the same money? I'd take the gun with the target sights.

Para and Kimber get dumped on regularly here, and they aren't cheap. Dumping on a gun you don't know JUST because it's priced too low to have snob value is a mistake.

Anyway. It's been said and said and said again, so no more repeats for me.
 
The SAM pistols are far from "garbage flooding the market". I have owned two of the commander length in 9mm (still have one) and they are as tight as any other 1911 I've had my hands on. I'm currently running it with STI mags, which I think are mad by metalform and have no issues with feeding at all.

As far as price point goes, to state no one would touch them at a higher point, you might be right, but then nobody would buy a Ruger 1911 for $1700 either. That argument is irrelevant.

To the OP, the two pistols you are talking about are completely different animals, might want to source out someone at the club who can let you test them out before you commit. My striker fired pistol of choice is a Glock, but when I want to shoot strictly for fun, it's my 1911's all the way.
 
Oversight said:
Flaherty's has the M&P9 range it (3 mags, holster, mag holder, and speed loader) for $599 right now... might be worth a thought too. No compromise on quality. Nice cheap ammo and 3 mags included with add'l factory mags for only $35 each.
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Don't forget $175 for an Apex trigger kit to replace the jell-o stock trigger...
 
Let's clear up the swath of bull#### that is targeted towards SAM, especially in thinking that they are inferior or only priced low because they're not up to par.

I think it's common knowledge now that Filipino's are making some of the best bang for buck 1911's out there on the market. This is without a question. Their craftsmanship and attention to all details (Slide smoothness, tolerances, general feel) are leagues and leagues above the mid-tier and some top-tier American brands for a fraction of the price. So great in fact that STI Spartans are being made there and eventually, I would think more and more American brands would set up factories there because they know the quality of labor and cost effectiveness can make it more attractive for 1911 buyers to purchase an incredible gun at an amazing price.

A lot of people are brand whores and simply don't want to acknowledge that a new kid is on the block with a much better product. Those people can continue to live in their delusions whilst the consumers out there are flocking in droves to purchase Filipino made 1911's because they are better guns for the money. Period.

That being said, you can't really compare an SR-9 or SR-45 to a SAM because they're two totally different systems. If you want a 1911 for the best price you can get, go for a SAM, otherwise the SR-9 is a great polymer framed pistol that shoots 9mm.
 
I asked the guy at Ellwood Epps to show me a couple 1911 .45s that were great for the money, nothing overly expensive.

He brought out a SAM 1911 Commander and a SAM Wolverine Government model in a really shiny stainless (which I bought). I discussed the brand with him and he was going on about how good quality they were and how you could change the sights, etc, etc. I was already sold on the fact it was stainless lol

It shot great, I was really surprised at how it handled compared to my buddy's H&K .45, even though it wasn't a 1911, the weight of the steel really made a difference in recoil management. The groups were amazing. The only thing I found was that it would sometimes stove-pipe Norinco ammo, but so far nothing else. I love it.

 
You may only spend $375 "out the door" for your new prize 1911 but you will spend a mountain of money in the next short while trying to correct its faults or improve its weaknesses, and you will have an expensive low end gun with little resale value. You are not likely going to sell a used SAM for the price of a used Ruger........the big name sponsors on the site are praising them due to the cost they are acquiring them for by the 1000......their markup is 50% but on Ruger maybe 15% if i was to make 50 cents by selling you a penny id tell you anything!
 
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icelink said:
You may only spend $375 "out the door" for your new prize 1911 but you will spend a mountain of money in the next short while trying to correct its faults or improve its weaknesses, and you will have an expensive low end gun with little resale value. You are not likely going to sell a used SAM for the price of a used Ruger........the big name sponsors on the site are praising them due to the cost they are acquiring them for by the 1000......their markup is 50% but on Ruger maybe 15% if i was to make 50 cents by selling you a penny id tell you anything!
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Hi I'm icelink and I recently bought a Ruger SR1911 and it's the greatest gun ever even though its the only gun I own but Ruger is THE BEST company and you should not buy anything else ever blah blah blah blah blah blah blah RUGER blah blah blah
 
I am absolutely not saying the SR1911 is the greatest gun i could care less about it........its junk compared to high end 1911s, what i can say about the SR1911 is that its an entry level 1911.......once again I understand there are alot entry level shooters out there and a or people looking for their first 1911 they resort to firearms like SAM i love when these guys send their frame and slide out to get "blanked out" with no markings cause they are that embarassed by their piece!
 
What is your experience with the Norc's and SAM's? You refer to them as 'junk' 'jam o matics' 'garbage' etc. I have had two Norc's and now a SAM. All of them have been very reliable and accurate. I've had no issues with any of them.

Having a SAM now I know they are on a different level than the Norc's. Sure, they are at the low end of the price spectrum but there is a lot of value there for the money.
 
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My vote is for the SAM 1911 Commander Tactical. Impressive pistol - accurate out of the box from my limited experience - only fired 50 rounds so far.
 
icelink said:
...resort to firearms like SAM i love when these guys send their frame and slide out to get "blanked out" with no markings cause they are that embarassed by their piece!
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There you go again getting caught with your pants down. The SAMs imported by Wolverine have almost no markings on them. You should do some homework before spouting off.
 
icelink said:
You may only spend $375 "out the door" for your new prize 1911 but you will spend a mountain of money in the next short while trying to correct its faults or improve its weaknesses, and you will have an expensive low end gun with little resale value. You are not likely going to sell a used SAM for the price of a used Ruger........the big name sponsors on the site are praising them due to the cost they are acquiring them for by the 1000......their markup is 50% but on Ruger maybe 15% if i was to make 50 cents by selling you a penny id tell you anything!
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icelink said:
I am absolutely not saying the SR1911 is the greatest gun i could care less about it........its junk compared to high end 1911s, what i can say about the SR1911 is that its an entry level 1911.......once again I understand there are alot entry level shooters out there and a or people looking for their first 1911 they resort to firearms like SAM i love when these guys send their frame and slide out to get "blanked out" with no markings cause they are that embarassed by their piece!
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It's too bad have so little experience with 1911's....
 
If those are your only choices, I'd say go with the polymer SR9.

I have one (with the OD frame) that I use for shooting 3-Gun and plate blasting. I've had no issues with it (except a couple of jams when it was brand new - very early in the break-in process) and it eats anything I feed it including my own lead bullet reloads.

You can't go wrong with one, and NO, mine is NOT for sale!!!!! :p
 
It also comes down to the embarrassment at the gun range when an old timer comes up to you and asks what kinda 1911 is that.....and you say SAM haha all he's thinking is hmmmmm Sam's club discount card haha save the embarrassment and the explanation to others when you are at the range......what a horrible experience it would be to try and "upsell" a SAM to make it sound like a quality firearm like ruger... Colt....kimber....sti or sw.......just looking at the markings on one saying "made in the Philippines" or "made in China" make me wanna vomit......... Even if u get that "blanked out" u will always know in the back of your head where its made......and please no spouting off about my Sam or norinco will out shoot yours........i can't even say a SAM is a good gun for the money
 
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icelink said:
It also comes down to the embarrassment at the gun range when an old timer comes up to you and asks what kinda 1911 is that.....and you say SAM haha all he's thinking is hmmmmm Sam's club discount card haha save the embarrassment and the explanation to others when you are at the range......what a horrible experience it would be to try and "upsell" a SAM to make it sound like a quality firearm like ruger... Colt....kimber....sti or sw.......just looking at the markings on one saying "made in the Philippines" or "made in China" make me wanna vomit......... Even if u get that "blanked out" u will always know in the back of your head where its made......and please no spouting off about my Sam or norinco will out shoot yours........i can't even say a SAM is a good gun for the money
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Yep.....total newb right here ^^^°
 
Its like buying a high end KIA ripping the emblems off And pretending its a Benz.....oh wait......there are no high end KIAs......those cars are throw aways......just like the SAM..... these manufacturers love guys like you and you fall for it.......just cause the price is right..... Let me guess you own a SKS too, its probaby all done up to look like an AK
 
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icelink said:
Its like buying a high end KIA ripping the emblems off And pretending its a Benz.....oh wait......there are no high end KIAs......those cars are throw aways......just like the SAM..... these manufacturers love guys like you and you fall for it.......just cause the price is right..... Let me guess you own a SKS too, its probaby all done up to look like an AK
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You are not adding anything to this discussion...go troll somewhere else...
 
Hands down the sr9 they are on EE almost every other week for 400$-450$ they are a to "hell and back firearm" absolutely flawless with any type of ammo.... Readily available mags that don't mar up and bend like the SAM....wicked gun hands Down you will be happy with the Sr9 have a great weekend guys and girls keep us posted with your sr9 range report later
 
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