SS Mauser experts: Is this the single rune??
- Thread starter J996
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Found pics at Century arms. Steyr rifle. You can see the rune on top of receiver in second pic. http://www.centuryarmsauction.com/auction_details.php?auction_id=100418
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- Pile of Bones, SK
Thanks, in the description it says "Himmler's infamous SS "Concentration Camp" K98 production plan", were they made there, just refurbished there or both?
It seems like all the single rune K98's are BNZ made. There doesn't seem to be a consensus on the meaning of it, although I found this:
Rifles that the SS used should be marked on the barrel with a double rune from what I understand.
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- Pile of Bones, SK
This one has the double rune.
Another example:
Another example:
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The single lightning bolt symbol was apparently also used by the hitler youth. As im researching this its looking more and more like the mark on my stock is a look-A-like dent or wartime graffiti. Its been a long time since 1945 if 98k's were officially marked like that there would be a few known examples kicking around to compare it to.
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- near Eagle Rock
What are you talking about skirsons, he never removed ALL THE HISTORY, Infact I propose that he simply REVEALED the CORRECT history of this rifle, not some drunken russian armourers idea of history. GOOD JOB J996. Oh and also for the record DO NOT SAND THAT SINGLE RUNE OFF, wHo knows,,, and remember the Waffen SS, were just soldiers, damn good ones too.
What are you talking about skirsons, he never removed ALL THE HISTORY, Infact I propose that he simply REVEALED the CORRECT history of this rifle, not some drunken russian armourers idea of history. GOOD JOB J996. Oh and also for the record DO NOT SAND THAT SINGLE RUNE OFF, wHo knows,,, and remember the Waffen SS, were just soldiers, damn good ones too.
I'm sorry. I didn't know you were the arbiter of true history versus fake history.
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- Tucson, Arizona
The Waffen SS were just soldiers? I can think of Malmedy as one example and the murder of Canadian POW's as another. Perhaps herding russian villagers into a barn and setting it on fire was a normal thing for "just soldiers" Or maybe the Warsaw Ghetto was only an isolated incident?
The more "arayan supermen" on the recieving end of a bullet, the better. A modern example would be the taliban.
Lets not forget the "hitler jugend" A british officer on entering one of the Konzentration Lagers came upon a bunch of them shooting prisoners while the camp was being liberated. He didn't kill all of them as he ran out of ammunition! (the rest ran away)
The more "arayan supermen" on the recieving end of a bullet, the better. A modern example would be the taliban.
Lets not forget the "hitler jugend" A british officer on entering one of the Konzentration Lagers came upon a bunch of them shooting prisoners while the camp was being liberated. He didn't kill all of them as he ran out of ammunition! (the rest ran away)
The Waffen SS were just soldiers? I can think of Malmedy as one example and the murder of Canadian POW's as another. Perhaps herding russian villagers into a barn and setting it on fire was a normal thing for "just soldiers" Or maybe the Warsaw Ghetto was only an isolated incident?
The more "arayan supermen" on the recieving end of a bullet, the better. A modern example would be the taliban.
Lets not forget the "hitler jugend" A british officer on entering one of the Konzentration Lagers came upon a bunch of them shooting prisoners while the camp was being liberated. He didn't kill all of them as he ran out of ammunition! (the rest ran away)
Both of your opinions are at either end of the spectrum. There is a missing center here. Some of the Waffen SS were 'just soldiers' who were forced into fighting (as many foreign legions were) and fought as a parallel army with the Wehrmacht.
And don't forget that some of these groups, such as the 19th Division, fought valiantly against the greater evil when compared to Hitler's death toll: the Soviet Union (a supposed ally!). Hitler learned how to kill masses of people by studying what Uncle Joe did in peacetime.
The units that carried out the holocaust were the SD, the Einsatzgruppen, and the SS. But the SS name was given to many fighting units who weren't technically SS. For example, the Latvian Volunteer Legion of the Waffen SS was neither Latvian, Volunteer, or SS.
What are you talking about skirsons, he never removed ALL THE HISTORY, Infact I propose that he simply REVEALED the CORRECT history of this rifle, not some drunken russian armourers idea of history. GOOD JOB J996. Oh and also for the record DO NOT SAND THAT SINGLE RUNE OFF, wHo knows,,, and remember the Waffen SS, were just soldiers, damn good ones too.
Some bedtime reading for you: http://members.iinet.net.au/~gduncan/massacres.html
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- near Eagle Rock
well well touche Skirsions, I already know this and thanks for correcting our friend. We all know that what our friend said is not related to the combat fighting skill of the front line Waffen SS when we honour the spirit of truly godd fighting soldiers, weather be they , Canadian, British, American, Polish, Russian, and even the famed 12th SS which were a tough fight for the Canadians, but for the 12th as well. Both sides had stressed out pockets which resulted in bad decisions, but in true war its no holds barred, and Mier did not have time I suppose to ensure, that that one particular episode our friend referres too did not happen. Kurt was in an emergency situation he in his mind was the last unit that could stop the Allied push into the German western front, and he happened to be going against a very tough and likewise determined army of Canadian volunteers.
Oh and when it comes to the whole issue of calling someone a bubba for removing RC shelac to expose the true K98 finish which the rifle originally came with I AM THE arbiter
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- south stukely
i saw that single rune on a milled k98 triggerguard...
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At the very least, don't sand it off. Hard to tell for sure but why sand it?
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- Pile of Bones, SK
tristanium - I believe that would be from one of the BNZ rifles we talked about.
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- south stukely
i don't know exactly on which K98 this came from,it's on the zefarm website in the parts section,saw this and thought it'll be interesting to share.
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- Pile of Bones, SK
Yep it's neat thank you. Here are some Gew98 - K98 conversions that are SS marked, all RC I believe. The Death's Heads are pretty eerie if you ask me.
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- Pile of Bones, SK
Irregardless of how this mark got there, I don't understand the need to remove it. Even if it just got bumped into something on the battle field, it's still a piece of history specific to that rifle. I personally would put more interest in a rifle that saw battle instead of one that is mint condition and has seen no action. The history is just not there.
