SSS Aquila in your M6 Springfield or CZ Springfield

Brutus said:
I was wondering if anyone has tried this 60 grain 22 LR round in your combination gun?
Accuracy or not? Tumbling or stable?

And you folks with Savages or Chiappas also add your own experience too please.
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Anyone shooting shooting these rounds from a standard 1 in 16" barrel will find they suck at backyard ranges, let alone for trying to hit consistent at 50+ yds. If folks want decent accuracy with the SSS, they'll have to pony up for a 1 in 12" tube to get decent accuracy from this load.
 
In EVERY Cooey and in my Savage Rascal, I have no problems with accuracy.
I've even used them to walk rounds in a pit at 3-400yds onto a rock. No problem's at all.
 
zuke said:
In EVERY Cooey and in my Savage Rascal, I have no problems with accuracy.
I've even used them to walk rounds in a pit at 3-400yds onto a rock. No problem's at all.
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That’s impressive with a slow moving heavy bullet!! What would the holdover be at 300 and 400 yards?
 
Longstud said:
zuke said:
In EVERY Cooey and in my Savage Rascal, I have no problems with accuracy.
I've even used them to walk rounds in a pit at 3-400yds onto a rock. No problem's at all.
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That’s impressive with a slow moving heavy bullet!! What would the holdover be at 300 and 400 yards?
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The Aguilla 60 grain .22LR round would require about 20 feet of holdover at 300 yards and about 40 feet at 400. It's easy to see why the round is, as zuke says, problem-free for long range shooting. Now that the secret is out, perhaps ELR shooters will be using it. ;)



Edit to add: I'm kidding about the round is problem-free at distances such as 300 yards and more.
 
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zuke said:
The horizon for starters, then work your way up the tree line.
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Well I guess I should have been more specific. How many rounds to actually strike the target and apparently a rock could be the entire end of the pit or a monolith like Aires Rock. I guess theres a big difference in what we are talkin about as far as accuracy. Mortar rounds fired at Volkswagon rocks dont constitute relaible accuracy. I can tell this is also with iron sights or a 4X scope with see thru mounts. Christmas miracles do happen. Especially in a grave pit!!
 
Depends on the wind. It is a 22 after all.
Target can be a rock 8-12 inchs across, 20lb propane tanks ring out when hit so their easier.
1lb'ers are more of a challenge, but rims at the opposite end of the pit give you a couple seconds between firing and hearing the clang.
I tried with a scope, but I've always liked iron sites
 
The wind doesn't affect the Aguilla 60 grain round much differently than it does the SV 40 grain bullet -- with one somewhat surprising difference.

The Aguila 60 grain bullet is slightly less affected by wind drift than the SV Aguilla 40 grain bullet, but only out to almost 300 yards. Beyond 300 it is slightly more affected by the wind than is the 40 grain round.

Assuming that the Aguila 60 grain round shoots without issue, it's MV variation would prove a bigger challenge to long distance shooting than the wind. It drops a lot more than the SV 40 grain bullet. At 100 yards each 10 fps difference in MV for the 60 grain round results in about .4" of vertical spread. At 200 yards it's about 1.6, while at 300 it's about 4". When a box of Aguila 60 grain ammo can easily have an ES of 50 fps, the challenges of shooting at long distance will be less with wind than with differences in drop caused by MV variation seems obvious.

The chart below compares the Aguila 60 grain round with the Aguila SV 40 grain round. The wind is a 1 mph crosswind.

 
zuke said:
Depends on the wind. It is a 22 after all.
Target can be a rock 8-12 inchs across, 20lb propane tanks ring out when hit so their easier.
1lb'ers are more of a challenge, but rims at the opposite end of the pit give you a couple seconds between firing and hearing the clang.
I tried with a scope, but I've always liked iron sites
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So to clarify, you can hit a one pound propane cylinder at 400 yards with an iron sighted 22 rimfire shooting Aguilla 60 gr SSS. Does ur profession involve sales by any chance?
 
I got a box of those SSS, was given some by my Dad that bought some ammo from a gunsmith/shop that closed.

Never had anything decent to accuracy test it. Same with some RWS and Lapua 22LR. Afraid to shoot it thru my #2 RRB since it has a 33" barrel. Last time I tried any accuracy testing, dealing with fogging glasses.
 
Hitting a grey squirrel at 60 ft with these Aguila SSS is iffy at best. Get out to 80 yds and forget it. A 1 in 16" twist won't cut it, period.

Note the 2 holes at the bottom of the target paper. They were the only ones outta 5 shots to hit the paper.
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Longstud said:
So to clarify, you can hit a one pound propane cylinder at 400 yards with an iron sighted 22 rimfire shooting Aguilla 60 gr SSS. Does ur profession involve sales by any chance?
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Have you never seen an empty pit? Now throw a couple 1lb tanks up the bank and drive back a bit. Set up your moving blankets, and drinks and get comfy. When you start to dial them in and get hits on them, back it up a bit.
Next your gonna tell me I can use smokeless powder in my 577 and my 577-450 (I do) and shoot it at the same ranges.
You should try it sometime, VERY relaxing.
How far do you shoot at?
 
SHELL SHUCKER said:
Hitting a grey squirrel at 60 ft with these Aguila SSS is iffy at best. Get out to 80 yds and forget it. A 1 in 16" twist won't cut it, period.

Note the 2 holes at the bottom of the target paper. They were the only ones outta 5 shots to hit the paper.
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I've used them in my Mossberg 46 B b. This same Mossberg cycles CB caps, believe it or not. There's barely any muzzle noise, just kinda like a sneeze/cough and the sound of the firing pin snapping down
 
Brutus said:
The Paco designed Accurizer would be interesting investment.
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Paco tools are neat, but cutting down weight and reshaping the nose of the 60 gr Aguila stuff kinda defeats the purpose of these rounds as far as longer range
shooting or for penetration on raccoon sized critters and such. Barrels of proper twist be the way to go, but seeing as this ammo isn't a well promoted item in
conjunction with a big name rifle maker, it will just remain a novelty. SSS does put down horses though with a shot down through the bean .

http://pacotools.com/tool_discriptions
 
SHELL SHUCKER is quite correct when he says that a faster twist barrel is the way to go. Aguila itself makes this recommendation on its website.

"The faster barrel twist of the projectile ensures accuracy for target shooting and small-game hunting without excessive noise. Recommended for use in barrels longer than 20″."

The muzzle energy of the Aguila 60 grain bullet at about 950 fps is 120 foot pounds. By comparison a SV 40 grain round at 1080 fps has a muzzle energy of about 103 foot pounds, while a 1250 fps HV 40 grain round has a ME of 138 foot pounds. High velocity 40 grain .22LR ammo continues to deliver more energy down range.

Because the 60 grain round has a short case and an extra long bullet, the bullet engages the rifling mid-way, rather than closer to the base of the bullet. Some users say this may contribute to lead and combustion material build up in the leade area, but whether it's a serious issue is not clear.

If there is a consensus about the round on the largest rimfire forum, RFC, it's that the round is best used in faster-than-standard twist barrels. Further, the round is not especially accurate (Aguila generally are not).

Since it performs best in a faster twist barrel, the accuracy is not especially good, it has a lot of drop at longer distances, and the muzzle energy is less than .22LR high velocity ammo, there seems little to recommend it, except, as SHELL SHUCKER notes, a novelty, something different for it's own sake. Of course, that appeals to some shooters, and there's nothing wrong with that.

 
I shot some today out my MP40 and it was kind of all over the place. I then shot some out my Savage FV-SR and they patterned all around the point of aim, in a 6 in circle at 25 yards. I have more rimfires to try and I expect once I find a rifle/ammo match I'll run out of ammo.
 
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