Stag 10 Arrived, cannot break down.

[hassaracker]

Thanks for all of the helpful comments, I never wanted this to devolve into an argument. There are obviously plenty of members on here with more AR knowledge than I have and that is why I posted. I am sure I could force this gun open, but it is brand new and I am far from a gunsmith even though I understand how it functions. It is brand new, unfired and I do not want to do that. Apart from being a bit annoyed, I am sure that everything will get resolved sooner or later. Thanks guys....

 

[Brianma65]

Thanks for all of the helpful comments, I never wanted this to devolve into an argument. There are obviously plenty of members on here with more AR knowledge than I have and that is why I posted. I am sure I could force this gun open, but it is brand new and I am far from a gunsmith even though I understand how it functions. It is brand new, unfired and I do not want to do that. Apart from being a bit annoyed, I am sure that everything will get resolved sooner or later. Thanks guys....

Hey I see your in NS, it shouldn’t take to long for AE to fix you up, as they’re pretty close to you.
Well if the ferry isn’t grounded As it usually is .

 

[M&P 40]

Are the two rifles in question 308 or 6.5cm?

 

[Sqr]

People think that brand new products will be without issues from the factory. When customer service pulls through like a boss they're still upset because this brand new untested hardware didn't work perfectly out of the box. The same thing applies for a first year vehicle. There are always issues to iron out. The fact that customer service is this amazing is exactly why everyone chooses ATRS as their retailer to purchase an NR AR or anything firearms related to begin with.

I am so looking forward to spending my money with ATRS. This is coming from someone who hasn't spent a dime with them yet. The near future excites me to no end.

Most DI Firearms are not without problems, but I am dismayed to read that this appears to be a repetitive problem that can be avoided if each rifle was function checked prior to shipping. Pull the pins break it open, close the receivers and use the charging handle to release the bolt. Pull the trigger to hear a click. Very simple no.

 

[hassaracker]

Exactly, that would have saved everyone a lot of inconvenience. Bought it from The Gun Dealer in NB last Friday, but am assuming that it has to be shipped to Arms East in NL for warranty issues, will call them in a bit. Mine is in .308

 

[Kratos]

What’s up with the sledgehammer examples?

My car example. If i bought a brand new car and something wasnt right, i’d call the dealer first, explain the situation, and ask their advice. It might be something that can easily be resolved.

If you can’t open an AR by hand with both pins removed you’d need a tool, likely a hammer. The post I replied to suggested such. I compared it to something to show how ridiculous it sounded, everything scaled up with the car example including the hammer lol.

Can you let us know the issue in this specific case? I’m pretty interested in what happened.

Who said anything about beating it with a hammer? I doubt it was beaten together with a hammer.

I just suspect the op is handling it rather daintily.

There's also plenty of evidence that suggests slop causes piss poor accuracy.

Go ahead and replace your take down and pivot pin with something smaller so she's nice and loose, take a trip to the range and report back here please.

While you're at it, shove a McGowan or something into some sloppy norninco and post up the sub half moa groups.

Also, take one of your sloppy ride does, dry fire it and watch for the receiver to move. And you will see it move.

How much movement does it take for you to see. What does that work out to overall fore to aft degreewise. 1/10 of a degree? 1/20th? If you can see it move its most certainly a measurable amount.

That upper begins its jolt the instant the hammer touches the firing pin, then the pin hits the primer, primer ignights, poster ignights, Bullet begins traveling and finally exits.

Between the time you pull the trigger and the bullet exits, things have moved ever so slightly.

There's 60 moa in one degree. 1/10 of a degree represents 6 moa. 1/20 is 3moa.

How much slop you have is going to effect accuracy.

I won't tolerate any play, at all, period.

Now back to the hammering thing. There is a difference between gentle whacks with a rubber mallet and the greatly exaggerated sledgehammering you came up with.

My rifles get banned around enough they would only be so lucky if the worst they saw was a rubber mallet.

And for the record, if I bought a brand new truck that had an issue that I could resolve myself at home within 5 minutes, I'd just fix it.

Filing the buffer tube to the correct profile is not a modification to the rifle btw.

Well if you shoot your AR platforms with one hand without any support for the upper (hand/rest/bipod) then you could see a loss in accuracy, but this is more to do with poor shooting technique and the play just compounds that. Look it up, use google. Play doesn’t matter, I’ve had sets that wobble terribly and sets that are tight, that part has no effect on accuracy. It doesn’t feel nice sure, but thats about it.

I used a hammer as an example for trying harder, but if you honestly think the OP put no effort into it at all when you made the comment then I guess you didn’t mean use excessive force, you’re just being condescending and internet tough.

I’ll drop the vehicle reference as you don’t seem to understand my examples.

And how is filing a part on a rifle not modifying it? Now I know you’re trolling. I agree the OkayShooter, you’re AB_Blaster/KiddX.

mod·i·fy
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verb
make partial or minor changes to (something), typically so as to improve it or to make it less extreme.

fil·ing
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noun
a small particle rubbed off by a file when smoothing or shaping something.

Sorry everyone for the bs, just can’t stand this persons posts.

 

[Quigly]

Your gun on route will quite likely be excellent, as so many are. We hope you enjoy it.

Thank you. I appreciate the reassurance. To enjoy a trouble free rifle. That is all I want. These posts aren't helping with that. I just recently went through a warranty issue with another rifle and another dealer, and I don't want to experience that again.

 

[BlazinDayz]

1. User buys a product.
2. The user sends the product back due to defect /faulty assembly from the factory.
3. The user gets a new rifle and two additional magazines & a cleaning kit at no charge for their trouble.
4. Isn't this how customer service/warranty is supposed to work?

Not sure what the problem is other than delaying instant gratification of shiny new toy


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Except you missed the part where this was the SECOND faulty rifle sent back.

 

[Quigly]

Your gun on route will quite likely be excellent, as so many are. We hope you enjoy it.

I just received my rifle. So far it looks like all my fears have been unfounded. Everything is functioning properly. It's a beautiful rifle. I am so excited to go try it out. Unfortunately, I can't do that for at least a week. I wish I were still living in Northern Ontario. I could just hop on my snow machine. Drive out to the pit and try it out.

 

[Brianma65]

I just received my rifle. So far it looks like all my fears have been unfounded. Everything is functioning properly. It's a beautiful rifle. I am so excited to go try it out. Unfortunately, I can't do that for at least a week. I wish I were still living in Northern Ontario. I could just hop on my snow machine. Drive out to the pit and try it out.

I’ve owned two of these and they are really nice.
Aside from a couple of minor issues , these are the best bang for your buck

Edited : mine were 100% trouble free

 

[lone ranger]

I gotta laugh at all these new rifles coming out & the issues with them. I read so many posts about guys who just bought the newest hot rifle on the market & it doesnt work, or needs tweaking or different parts to make it function correctly. Just wow.! I have been buying guns since the 70's & have never seen so dam many issues. Quality control is NON existent.....the observable evidence proves this.! This seems like the "new Norm ". Buy something brand new & expect to fix it or worse , send it back. Its BS & always will be.

 

[Dangphool]

Mine works great. pins were really tight though. great groupings.
I am not sure what all the moving parts of an AR are called but even I was able to install a "Bad Lever" from Phase5 with no issues!

 

[7.62mm]

I gotta laugh at all these new rifles coming out & the issues with them. I read so many posts about guys who just bought the newest hot rifle on the market & it doesnt work, or needs tweaking or different parts to make it function correctly. Just wow.! I have been buying guns since the 70's & have never seen so dam many issues. Quality control is NON existent.....the observable evidence proves this.! This seems like the "new Norm ". Buy something brand new & expect to fix it or worse , send it back. Its BS & always will be.

Well, there was no Internet in the 70's, so not everyone could go run to their computers and find the nearest and highest soapbox, and type furiously on a forum.

Back then, people called their supplier to have the warranty work completed without fanfare...there were problems with quality control all through history of man making stuff....live with it

 

[geologist]

New firearms should work properly period.

Clean it, load it, shoot it.

Anything less is not acceptable and is a black mark.on the manufacturer.

In 1996 I bought 2 new UAZ 4x4 trucks in Kazakstan. My drivers had to go south to Almaty a week early as new Soviet style trucks is would not run. They had to be worked on, carbs, brakes etc to get them to work.

I found that unacceptable then and feel the same way now regarding new items that I spend my money on.

YMMV.

 

[Somerset Bar]

I gotta laugh at all these new rifles coming out & the issues with them. I read so many posts about guys who just bought the newest hot rifle on the market & it doesnt work, or needs tweaking or different parts to make it function correctly. Just wow.! I have been buying guns since the 70's & have never seen so dam many issues. Quality control is NON existent.....the observable evidence proves this.! This seems like the "new Norm ". Buy something brand new & expect to fix it or worse , send it back. Its BS & always will be.

I remember as a kid the family saved up enough to finally get a big ass RCA console colour tv. One of those huge wood cabinet suckers. Holeeeeeeeeee crap it was incredible, I seem to even remember it coming in a crate or something like that, but I was 5 or 6...anyway we plugged it in and turned it on, and...nothing. 2 days and angry shouting on the phone later and it was discovered a tube had popped out during shipping. Had to have the owner of the tv store over to figure that out, with my dad yelling at him "in MY day things always worked when you bought them, nowadays there is NO QUALITY CONTROL!!!" (or something like that). That stuck with me as a reminder that sometimes new stuff doesn't work...

 

[lone ranger]

I remember as a kid the family saved up enough to finally get a big ass RCA console colour tv. One of those huge wood cabinet suckers. Holeeeeeeeeee crap it was incredible, I seem to even remember it coming in a crate or something like that, but I was 5 or 6...anyway we plugged it in and turned it on, and...nothing. 2 days and angry shouting on the phone later and it was discovered a tube had popped out during shipping. Had to have the owner of the tv store over to figure that out, with my dad yelling at him "in MY day things always worked when you bought them, nowadays there is NO QUALITY CONTROL!!!" (or something like that). That stuck with me as a reminder that sometimes new stuff doesn't work...

GREAT story. I really am not bashing ....Im just so sick & tired of buying something new and the darn thing is CRAP. The automotive sector is terrible for this as well. seems like ya buy new parts & they dont work or they dont last very long. Lumber is garbage now as well, & very pricey.!

 

[Somerset Bar]

GREAT story. I really am not bashing ....Im just so sick & tired of buying something new and the darn thing is CRAP. The automotive sector is terrible for this as well. seems like ya buy new parts & they dont work or they dont last very long. Lumber is garbage now as well, & very pricey.!

I hear you, and in general, everything is getting more $ and more poorly made. Still, things have been poorly put together for centuries. Quality is only as good as the people putting it together, and pride in workmanship seems long long gone.

 

[Dr. Hunter]

Gently tapping with a rubber mallet is often done for barrels, handguards etc when things are a really snug fit but there's nothing interfering but some friction. Sometimes people baby things. There's obviously a problem if you need more force then that.

 

[hassaracker]

After several conversations, both with Arms East and Stag Arms US, I was still unable to move upper from the lower. I applied a lot of force, we decided the best option is to return it to them for a look, great customer service. It is a really solid rifle (no pun intended) and I am confident that any issues will be addressed after talking with these guys.

 

[Dr. Hunter]

Hopefully they tell you what was wrong with it.