Stag 10 vs BCL 102... the unspoken question

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I haven't seen a thread discussing this yet... Im assuming due to the close competition between fantastic site sponsors.

It is something that is weighing heavy in my decision making, though... and I bet many others as well. So here it is.

What's the pros and cons to each? I understand the Stag 10 has not yet made it here, but is looks like there are many reviews south of the border.

Price vs quality vs features.... Im sure some of you out there have researched the heck out of these... lets hear it!
 
Judging by how the EE is full of people trying to offload the BCL should give you a good idea on whats better... :popCorn:
 
I haven't seen a thread discussing this yet... Im assuming due to the close competition between fantastic site sponsors.

It is something that is weighing heavy in my decision making, though... and I bet many others as well. So here it is.

What's the pros and cons to each? I understand the Stag 10 has not yet made it here, but is looks like there are many reviews south of the border.

Price vs quality vs features.... Im sure some of you out there have researched the heck out of these... lets hear it!

Well the bcl102 was full of "features"......
 
As far as for what I see it as, I don't really care or can't get wound up about the Stag.

BCL/NEA and SFRC seemed to find the chink in the armor of the RCMP lab, and opened the doors to a wonderful world that seems to be unfolding as we speak. No small feat.

One is Canadian made/manufactured, one is not. If we want good things in Canada, we need to support Canadian business and initiatives. From the rough timelines stated in other threads, I'm not really sure that Stag really cared about the Canadian market, until a door was opened, and a Canadian company (AE) walked them through it. Seems it was all Canadian companies involved in prying around that door, looking for the opening.

After the hard work was done, now can follow the larger manufacturers, who experienced near zero risk, to capitalize on what Canadian entities worked for. Bravo for them.

No comments from me on quality of either. I'll leave that to the others. Strictly on the merits of how the recent NR door was opened, I'll keep my dollars feeding the ones that made that happen. And maybe I'm the only one, but when I see a Maple Leaf on something, and directly under that is the US manufacturer info, that fairly well ends any attraction I may have had.

Simply put, I'm happy to support Canadians ahead of US citizens, when the lines are so close. There would have to be some serious differences (economic and quality) to sway me from that. I don't see enough difference, in this case, to sway me.

YMMV
 
Bcl102 NR cash grab... let’s be honest it’s not an $1800 Rifle as proven by the multiple price changes as popularity rose (was a monopoly).

Stag 10 NR real Rifle worth the price and multiple sources brining it to Canada so competitive pricing and a price drop already happed on the receivers.

With the stripped Stag 10 an option at almost the same price it’s not even a debate.

If you want a BCL go on EE you can pick one up for $1500 now.
 
Bare bones basic BCL v. Stag guns are going to perform similarly in attributes that matter for the current pricing: accuracy, weight, reliability, trigger, furniture, features.

Stag brings years of AR building to the table as well as apparently full compatibility with DPMS AR-10s.
Their past history suggests that there will be less chances of niggling issues customers have faced with some BCL products, although BCL has a lifetime warranty, so this could well be negligible.

The BCL mixes Armalite and DPMS which, while admittedly a bit of a pain in the a$$, really is making a mountain out of a molehill for anyone familiar with wrenching on AR-10 type guns.

Anyone dumping their BCL-102 in the hopes of getting twice the rifle in a Stag 10 with a chromed lined barrel and a milspec trigger are going to be pretty disappointed.
But you know - CGN bandwagon and all. Lol
 
My opinion....from the limited knowledge I have on both the BCL and Stag. I believe BCL will have to drop their price in order to have a chance to remain competitive against the STAG.
My knowledge is limited as I said, and so many others on the forums here know 10 times as much as I do related to this BCL vs STAG rifles.
I am just glad I waited and did not get involved in the BCL preorder.
 
This is my take on it. A few of my points you may find reflect differently to you due to your personal taste.

Stag 10

Pros:
All parts DPMS compatible.
Lifetime warranty/Infinite shot barrels when bought as a full package.
Both right and left hand models.
Been in productions for some time now and seems to be well reviewed.
Forward assist.
Forged 7075 T6 Aluminum with Type 3 Hard Coat Anodized receivers.

Cons:
.....I truly can't think of any right now (will edit if I do come up with something)

BCL 102

Pros:
Lifetime warranty.
Great customer assistance through Ryan at SFRC.
Shoots relatively well.
Made in Canada.

Cons:
A new product with some teething pains.
A mix of Armalite and DPMS compatibility giving you less selection for customization.
After market charging handles require "fitting"
No forward assist (some wouldn't consider this a con but I do)
Cerakote finished instead anodized finished receivers (the one I received had very thin cerakote that was already down to bare metal in places from the handling during the repair it was sent back for.)
Odd shell deflector design on "gen 2" and newer that I personally don't find aesthetically pleasing.

Summary

The BCL is great is you want to support Canadian and like the way it comes stock. If you are interested in customizing the rifle to your liking then the Stag is easier to do so on. I feel more confident putting my money into a Stag after the issues I personally experienced with the BCL. The aesthetics of the Stag receiver personally appeal to me more, but that may differ for you.
 
The difference in quality won't be close. NEA/BCL has a home court advantage, and that's it. Both of the NEA's that I've owned were sold within a week of getting them. They work, but they're cheap and ugly at best.
 
As far as for what I see it as, I don't really care or can't get wound up about the Stag.

BCL/NEA and SFRC seemed to find the chink in the armor of the RCMP lab, and opened the doors to a wonderful world that seems to be unfolding as we speak. No small feat.

One is Canadian made/manufactured, one is not. If we want good things in Canada, we need to support Canadian business and initiatives. From the rough timelines stated in other threads, I'm not really sure that Stag really cared about the Canadian market, until a door was opened, and a Canadian company (AE) walked them through it. Seems it was all Canadian companies involved in prying around that door, looking for the opening.

After the hard work was done, now can follow the larger manufacturers, who experienced near zero risk, to capitalize on what Canadian entities worked for. Bravo for them.

No comments from me on quality of either. I'll leave that to the others. Strictly on the merits of how the recent NR door was opened, I'll keep my dollars feeding the ones that made that happen. And maybe I'm the only one, but when I see a Maple Leaf on something, and directly under that is the US manufacturer info, that fairly well ends any attraction I may have had.

Simply put, I'm happy to support Canadians ahead of US citizens, when the lines are so close. There would have to be some serious differences (economic and quality) to sway me from that. I don't see enough difference, in this case, to sway me.

YMMV

Well said....and I agree based on the BS happening with the global bully to the south.
 
Going to add my two cents on this one.


The Stag 10:

Specs: This is the real deal. It's 7075 forged, anodized etc as others have mentioned. The specs are there. I also own a few Stag Ar15 rifles and can attest they are solid and generally an under rated AR company.

Design: This is really a basic AR10 design. Equivalent to the gen1 BCL 102 as it doesn't have the fancy boutique features like ambi controls, or the fancy contours that billet rifles often incorporate. It does however have a forward assist. Which isn't needed but is an extra feature/cost.

But... all is not perfect in Stag 10 land. The 6.5 CM offerings for example were much better than the current mediocre 308 offerings just released. The 6.5 ones had a target version with PRS stock, SS barrels and 2 stage triggers. Along with variations of those options. The 308 offers a milspec trigger, Chrome lined 18.5" barrels with 1:10 twist and a magpul CTR or a regular M4 stock. :mad: 308 is still generally fairly expensive. I wish they would stop making plinkers. These rifles aren't really super light for CQB stuff so you might do some of it but will likely use your 223/5.56 instead along with the cost of ammo. The current selection will only feed the BS we continue to see where people strive for 1 moa with their 2K plus semi auto 308. It's how 6K rifles were attempting to justify their crappy performance. It's not the reality with the 308!! A good barrel and trigger along with match ammo in a good AR308 will get you in tactical bolt action accuracy. .5 moa is very doable. 1 moa is a mediocre target that I wouldn't even bother to keep. Rant over.. :p

I ended up buying a receiver set and have ordered the barrel, handguard etc. My Stag 10 won't be a 308 lead hose. It should be fun to put together. The latest price drop on the receiver sets was a nice bonus.

The BCL 102:

Specs: Hahhahahah, Laugh2 Oh sorry was that out loud? Who knows. Assume 6061 as they continue not to tell us no matter how much we ask. Not anodized. I have no idea what any of the specs are on this. I call it hobby gun spec. The MH also had this going for it when they used DPMS parts. So until now, they were able to get away with it and there was no competition. That being said, it's unlikely to be a factor for most of us. I do have some concerns regarding the hardness of the aluminum and I don't know how much the cerekote will help in that regard. My concerns are on the wear points and trigger pin holes/take down pin holes etc elongating with use if the aluminum is too soft. We will only know this after years of use. It's too early to tell if this will ever be an issue with these firearms. But it is a legitimate concern. One that you don't have to worry about with the Stag.

Design: I happen to like the design of the BCL 102 and while I liked the gen1, I actually really like the gen2 even more. Keep in mind, I'm use to AR308 rifles being proprietary. I have both AR10 and AR308 systems with some to no compatibility. As I happen to not mind the BCL 102 handguard since I wasn't aiming for super light etc, I have no issues with the gen 2 design. I find it kind of clever how the contours were designed. Plus it offers the ambi bolt release which is usually only seen in more expensive guns like LMT etc. I like the looks of it. But that's subjective. I like the real features. I also have a latest version though which seems to have the bugs worked out. My dust cover for example is great. The fit is excellent on my BCL 102 as was a buddies who received his at the same time. The cerekote finish was decent and it comes in more colours than black.

Overall I don't think the 102 is done yet. It could have and should have been but... Arms East has left a huge door open. The 102 comes with a barrel that looks to shoot decently once you realize which ammo you should be trying in it. The barrel is a compromise but it's a better one for most users with the cost etc of 308. Also they sent out a few with match barrels that looked to be the international ones that are about to come to market. Arms East/Stag has clearly opted to make their accuracy version the barrel burning 6.5 CM. Not all of us want that. Many of us still shoot targets for fun with 308. As the saying goes, only accurate rifles are interesting. With the Stag 10 in 308 also needing a decent trigger, that extra keeps the gap between the two in price. The prices will have to come down a bit with the BCL 102 to remain competitive. But they can still maintain the Canadian DPMS AR308 rifle spot as the lowest priced and still ok. Frankly DPMS has been very successful in that market. There is no reason why BCL can't be as well.

If buying right now, there is no doubt to go with the Stag 10. It's a better base and a better firearm. It's unfortunate their 308 offerings suck. Which is why I bought a stripped receiver set. I generally like to buy as close to what I want out of the box. Especially with AR308 rifles as they can be a pain to mix/match. With the Stag I would actually want a lot of Stag parts in my rifle. I bought a complete rifle with the BCL 102 and it did exceed my fairly low expectations. Unfortunately I can't go that way with the Stag. Which means even more money. The BCL I plan on keeping pretty much stock, other than maybe a new trigger. So the price is known. The Stag is likely going to cost me $700 more than the BCL 102. It will be a better rifle, but it won't be inexpensive.

Again if anywhere near the same price, get the Stag 10.
 
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I would respectfully submit that if you think for a moment that NEA/BCL is anywhere near on par with Stag Arms in terms of quality, then perhaps you need to re-think your hobby...

I'm all about supporting Canadian business, but I've bought NEA junk in the past; never again. I'll support the Canadian business who did the legwork to get the Stag10s into Canada as a NR firearm.

Of course there are those whose opinions will differ, but this is mine.

All the best.
 
The BCL is "Air Cooled" that's got to be a big pro. Stag make no mention of air cooling in their specs!

One of the first thing we learned in the army is that the C7 is an air cooled, magazine fed weapon. Those to facts are pretty much always read in the same sentence. So while may be obvious to us, the fact that it's air cool is as important as the fact that it's mag fed.
 
Let’s see.

For price the Stag 10 is cheaper

For quality, the Stag 10 *should* be way better

For features, the Stag 10 is all DPMS and has way more options for parts.




Should be an easy choice and I own a BCL 102
 
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While it's only my opinion, I believe it's valid.

BCL = NEA
NEA = Unreliable, out of spec, kiss my ass.
Unreliable, out of spec, kiss me ass = Junk
Junk = not worth my time, money, or consideration.

Stag ≠ BCL

Therefore:

Stag > BCL

:)
 
Read, roll eyes, laugh, seriously, laugh again. Life is too short to buy BCL.

I have to be honest, I would recommend the stag anytime over the BCL 102 but... I am really liking this BCL 102 I have in FDE. It's the latest generation and all the stuff that was wrong before with earlier versions seems to have been corrected. I think I lucked out getting mine when I did as the bugs seem to be worked out. I have avoided buying NEA/BCL like the plague. But the last three BCL 102 from last month that I've looked over were all good. Have to give them credit when it's due. Previous issues would have royally ticked me off, but not found on these latest ones.
 
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