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Pumping GN for info again for pre-purchase research. Does anyone have info on this AR-type Stag 223 Model 6?

I'm mostly concerned about reliability, modularity with other AR manufacturers' parts, and just plain easy to use for a beginner.


If one was to look for scary looking, relatively inexpensive, but fun .223 manufacturer/AR, who of the following would you choose of the following and why? I'm told to consider only Bushmaster, Lewis Machine Co., Rock River, and... I forget the last one.

Stag 223 Model 6
Rock River A4 pistols or LAR or Entry Tactical
Lewis Machine Co
Norinco CQ
Bushmaster

If I get a Rock River A4 pistol with receiver extension tube, can I put on a standard tactical stock? Or do I have to go for their bigger rifles?

Help. Please assume I know nothing about ARs, because that's pretty much true.
 
Oh yeah. The fourth manufacturer recommended was Smith & Wesson for their MP15.

milk said:
Pumping GN for info again for pre-purchase research. Does anyone have info on this AR-type Stag 223 Model 6?

I'm mostly concerned about reliability, modularity with other AR manufacturers' parts, and just plain easy to use for a beginner.


If one was to look for scary looking, relatively inexpensive, but fun .223 manufacturer/AR, who of the following would you choose of the following and why? I'm told to consider only Bushmaster, Lewis Machine Co., Rock River, and... I forget the last one.

Stag 223 Model 6
Rock River A4 pistols or LAR or Entry Tactical
Lewis Machine Co
Norinco CQ
Bushmaster

If I get a Rock River A4 pistol with receiver extension tube, can I put on a standard tactical stock? Or do I have to go for their bigger rifles?

Help. Please assume I know nothing about ARs, because that's pretty much true.
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You can't go wrong with a Stag, it was my first.

You need to decide what you're going to do with it, a Stag 6 and an AR pistol are very different and good at very different things.
 
Blueline has 10.5 LMTs on for 1499 bucks with SOPMODS and two stage triggers. Killer deal!
 
Just the opinion of some jackass on the internet making HUGE generalizations, but:

milk said:
(...)I'm mostly concerned about reliability, modularity with other AR manufacturers' parts, and just plain easy to use for a beginner.

If one was to look for scary looking, relatively inexpensive, but fun .223 manufacturer/AR, who of the following would you choose of the following and why? I'm told to consider only Bushmaster, Lewis Machine Co., Rock River, and... I forget the last one.
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Sounds like you found whoever that was in a time capsule. I'm surprised he didn't recite to you some love poem about Colt...

milk said:
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Stag 223 Model 6
Rock River A4 pistols or LAR or Entry Tactical
Lewis Machine Co
Norinco CQ
Bushmaster
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milk said:
Oh yeah. The fourth manufacturer recommended was Smith & Wesson for their MP15.
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Okay... I'm not going to go into different models, but as far as brands go, you've got a lot of different levels of pricing going on there.

LMT, Stag, RRA, and Norinco all make good to great products, but all for completely different reasons. LMT is the clear "high-end" choice out of that list, but of course it will be more expensive in the same config as someone else. RRA and Stag both seem to make good value for the money mid-range rifles. Norinco is a completely different beast; the finishing is f**king awful. Period. That said, they are mechanically sound, interchangeable(only the 14.5" M4 clone, CQ556), and generally well made for what they are. For the price you pay they are good rifles that you won't cry over if you scratch/ding/drop them. Probably a good choice for a starter, unless you're expecting match-grade accuracy or something.

Okay, here it comes :stirthepot2:

Don't waste your money on Bushmaster or S&W. Why?

- S&W seems to make decent enough rifles recently. But why on earth would anyone pay money for the ones coming into Canada with pinned muzzle brakes, that are also hideous. Not to mention there is very little that is uglier or more dated than a carbine length gas system on a 16" barrel. Minor things to most I guess, but why bother when there's alternatives with less suck. Im not going to get into anything function-related other than to say if you get a 16" barrel, get mid-length gas.

- Bushmaster is like Colt Jr. in my mind. Same issues as above, plus:
Used to be a decent company that made good products, but now they're just riding whatever is left of their name and contracts. Stagnant, completely lacking any creativity. Slipping/spotty QC... Mediocre at best. Oh yeah! I said it! They suck, and I hope they go under. And their dog dies. And their house burns down. And they get divorced. Don't support companies that display such contempt for end-users. They're both to guns what Sony is to electronics, in my angry, subjective opinion.

I would like to add to your list Spike's Tactical from Questar, and (if they have any) Daniel Defense from Wolverine. The Spike's are well featured quality rifles priced reasonably.

Wanna get Gucci $$$$$$? Noveske and to a greater extent Knight's Armament(top of the pile, and top of the prices). Probably terrible choices for first AR, though.

But really, the best thing I can say is don't take some guy's opinion as law. Don't be lazy, take your time and read as much as you can. Wanna buy the right TV? The right computer? The right car/truck? The right gun? Research your purchase! Read! Read! Read! Google is your friend! It will save you heartbreak later.
 
P90Puma said:
Indeed, amazing deal.
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Yeah, I grabbed another one. Even though I didn't need it. :D

That deal on LMT is the best out there. Cheaper than the Stags I see at AEI and a better rifle. Not saying the Stags aren't good at all though!
 
Gunnerlove said:
What do you want to use it for?
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I'm just looking for something that will get me into the AR or more "scary looking" guns. I like the looks(juvenile Rambo fantasy, I guess...) and the functionality of every component. I also like the fact that AR-types are endlessly configurable... something that will keep me busy and at the stores.

ON the practical side, I am primarily interested in target shooting, but I cannot use the traditional rifles because of a tendonitis in my trigger hand(R) and need pistol type grips.

In digging into the target shooting, and while getting some training, I found out that the ARs are compact, accurate, and are reliable. I had considered traditional 308s with good trigger and a heavy barrel, but I just found them too uncomfortable to shoot. I have no interest in hunting and might be interested in competition, but need to gain experience and learn about various platforms first.

RRA A4/LAR pistols interested me because their compact size(easier to handle because of my hand), and configurability for about the same price as a mid-level ARs.

Stag 223 Model 6 just came on the radar as it's about $500 more than a Norinco, better availability(at a local shop in Calgary) and much better recommendations from people with lots more experience than I.

What would you suggest?
 
Great comments! This is the second time I relied on GN for buying assitance.

So I am quickly coming to a conclusion... from GN & other, less reasoned comments from other sites(US sites), that the following should be what I should be looking at:

LMT Defender 2000 (STD105 10.5" w/SOPMOD) $1.5k
Stag 223 Model 6 $1.5k
Spikes
Daniel Defense
Rock River


As for the Rock River LAR15 or A4 pistols, how do they compare to the normal ARs? Is there any advantage to going with a 9mm versus 5.56/223?
 
You can shoot 9mm at indoor ranges and some handgun ranges that don't allow centrefire rifle. Cheaper ammo, too. But it isn't a real rifle anymore.
 
ESQ said:
You can shoot 9mm at indoor ranges and some handgun ranges that don't allow centrefire rifle. Cheaper ammo, too. But it isn't a real rifle anymore.
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Thank you for the info on 9mm. I was beginning to think 9mm is best left with my pistol.

But what about a real AR versus something like Rock River LAR15 or A4 223/5.56? What's the difference between those? Would I notice or would I be unable to enter certain matches/competitions with one or the other? It seems that I can get shorter barrel with both options... as well as a hoarde of accessories.
 
Milk,
The model 6 is a precision AR-15. It's very different than the others you have listed. The 2T, or M4 like versions are more comparable to the others you have listed.

From what you listed, I think it would be an excellent choice. I plan on getting one some day as well. 24" stainless target barrel, two stage match trigger, Stag quality and .5 moa guarantee.

There are other options out there, but for price and quality that one is hard to beat in a precision AR-15 rig.

DPMS LR-308 is also a precision AR rifle but in .308. It's more expensive and ammo costs are higher as well.

You have a few options.
 
I just looked at S&W M&P at the Shooting Edge and have now the following in my radarscreen and understand the AR category much better:

S&W M&P15
Stag Model 6
Daniel Defense(I know nothing about them)
Spike's


I'm now looking into Spike's to find out why so many people recommend them. Any thoughts would be appreciated.
 
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