Stag 3G AR15
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Amazingkg3
CGN Regular
- Location
- St. John's, NL
That would be an awesome comp gun. I run one of those Samson Free floats and they are wicked light and compact.
The other issue is the price.
A $900 Stag is $1400 here?
So this $1500 Stag would be over $2100! No one will buy one.
Sorry, to much competition now for Stag to be considered a good choice for the money.
When all AR15's were $1500+ they were in the game.
With all the big price drops across the board. Stag is overpriced and not a player anymore.
A $900 Stag is $1400 here?
So this $1500 Stag would be over $2100! No one will buy one.
Sorry, to much competition now for Stag to be considered a good choice for the money.
When all AR15's were $1500+ they were in the game.
With all the big price drops across the board. Stag is overpriced and not a player anymore.
Gunnerlove
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Vancouver Island
Last I looked a Stag was $1290 in Canada with an upgraded 1/7 barrel and a working tele stock.
dangertree
Business Rep
- Location
- NL/ON/FL/PL
Sorta but not quite.
They'll be 223 Wylde, a +. The brake will not be welded (we've never welded brakes). The stock is TBD at the moment, but we always endeavor to see that the end user receives what they are expecting.
These WILL be coming to Canada.
dangertree
Business Rep
- Location
- NL/ON/FL/PL
Your math is incorrect, both in US Price for the rifles as we have them configured, and CDN MSRPs.
Stag Arms prices in Canada have moved down with the dollar, while our unit cost, including transport, and including general US pricing, has increased. A 16" 'Colt Spec'd' Stag Arms Carbine without rear sight is currently $1290 in Canada. That is hundreds of dollars cheaper than a few years ago, and less expensive than anything that competes in any way for actual quality.
Fortunately, sales indicate that people disagree with you. Customers seem to continue to see value in choosing a top quality rifle, from a REAL US manufacturer with 35+ years of AR making experience, with a lifetime CDN warranty, even knowing it will never be the outright cheapest rifle they could own. Some people will still pay a lot more for less elsewhere (and might not even know it), but no one will pay less for more.
Cheers.
dangertree
Business Rep
- Location
- NL/ON/FL/PL
dangertree
Business Rep
- Location
- NL/ON/FL/PL
Agreed and thanks. Hope you get a chance to run one.
How's the 3G Situation in Fort Mac? Might have to come shoot a match there. Wonder what the chances are I'd know someone there?
I think I can fly direct!
That is great to hear.
I like the product, understand quality and have purchased Stag before, an Upper and Parts.
Pricing on your website is confusing then. The cheapest rifle is $1415.
If they are down in the $1200-ish range than that is great news
That is great to hear.
I like the product, understand quality and have purchased Stag before, an Upper and Parts.
Pricing on your website is confusing then. The cheapest rifle is $1415.
If they are down in the $1200-ish range than that is great news
Subtract $125 for no rear sight like Dangertree said and you get $1290.
Gunnerlove
CGN Ultra frequent flyer
- Location
- Vancouver Island
From Wiki
.223 Remington versus 5.56 mm NATO
These 5.56x45mm NATO cartridges are identical in appearance to .223 Remington. They are, however, not completely interchangeable.
While the 5.56mm NATO and .223 Remington cartridges and chamberings are very similar, they are not identical.
While there is a myth that 5.56 NATO cases are thicker and hence have less capacity than commercial .223 cases, this has been shown to be false. Each brand of case and each manufacturing lot has a slightly different case capacity; 5.56 NATO and .223 commercial cases tend to have nearly identical case capacity when measured using the water test.[6] The NATO specification allows a higher chamber pressure. NATO EPVAT test barrels made for 5.56mm NATO measure chamber pressure at the case mouth, as opposed to the location used by the United States civil standards organization SAAMI. The piezoelectric sensors or transducers NATO and SAAMI use to conduct the actual pressure measurements also differ. This difference in measurement method accounts for upwards of 137.9 megapascals (20,000 psi) difference in pressure measurements. This means the NATO EPVAT maximum service pressure of 430 megapascals (62,000 psi) for 5.56mm NATO, is reduced by SAAMI to 379.21 megapascals (55,000 psi) for .223 Remington.[7] In contrast to SAAMI, the other main civil standards organization C.I.P. defines the maximum service and proof test pressures of the .223 Remington cartridge equal to the 5.56mm NATO.
The 5.56mm NATO chambering, known as a NATO or mil-spec chamber, has a longer leade, which is the distance between the mouth of the cartridge and the point at which the rifling engages the bullet. The .223 Remington chambering, known as SAAMI chamber, is allowed to have a shorter leade, and is only required to be proof tested to the lower SAAMI chamber pressure. To address these issues, various proprietary chambers exist, such as the Wylde chamber (Bill Wylde)[8] or the ArmaLite chamber, which are designed to handle both 5.56mm NATO and .223 Remington equally well. The dimensions and leade of the .223 Remington minimum C.I.P. chamber also differ from the 5.56mm NATO chamber specification.
Using commercial .223 Remington cartridges in a 5.56mm NATO chambered rifle should work reliably, but generally will not be as accurate as when fired from a .223 Remington chambered gun due to the longer leade.[9] Using 5.56mm NATO mil-spec cartridges (such as the M855) in a .223 Remington chambered rifle can lead to excessive wear and stress on the rifle and even be unsafe, and the SAAMI recommends against the practice.[10][11] Some commercial rifles marked as ".223 Remington" are in fact suited for 5.56mm NATO, such as many commercial AR-15 variants and the Ruger Mini-14, but the manufacturer should always be consulted to verify that this is acceptable before attempting it, and signs of excessive pressure (such as flattening or gas staining of the primers) should be looked for in the initial testing with 5.56mm NATO ammunition.[12]
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.223 Remington versus 5.56 mm NATO
These 5.56x45mm NATO cartridges are identical in appearance to .223 Remington. They are, however, not completely interchangeable.
While the 5.56mm NATO and .223 Remington cartridges and chamberings are very similar, they are not identical.
While there is a myth that 5.56 NATO cases are thicker and hence have less capacity than commercial .223 cases, this has been shown to be false. Each brand of case and each manufacturing lot has a slightly different case capacity; 5.56 NATO and .223 commercial cases tend to have nearly identical case capacity when measured using the water test.[6] The NATO specification allows a higher chamber pressure. NATO EPVAT test barrels made for 5.56mm NATO measure chamber pressure at the case mouth, as opposed to the location used by the United States civil standards organization SAAMI. The piezoelectric sensors or transducers NATO and SAAMI use to conduct the actual pressure measurements also differ. This difference in measurement method accounts for upwards of 137.9 megapascals (20,000 psi) difference in pressure measurements. This means the NATO EPVAT maximum service pressure of 430 megapascals (62,000 psi) for 5.56mm NATO, is reduced by SAAMI to 379.21 megapascals (55,000 psi) for .223 Remington.[7] In contrast to SAAMI, the other main civil standards organization C.I.P. defines the maximum service and proof test pressures of the .223 Remington cartridge equal to the 5.56mm NATO.
The 5.56mm NATO chambering, known as a NATO or mil-spec chamber, has a longer leade, which is the distance between the mouth of the cartridge and the point at which the rifling engages the bullet. The .223 Remington chambering, known as SAAMI chamber, is allowed to have a shorter leade, and is only required to be proof tested to the lower SAAMI chamber pressure. To address these issues, various proprietary chambers exist, such as the Wylde chamber (Bill Wylde)[8] or the ArmaLite chamber, which are designed to handle both 5.56mm NATO and .223 Remington equally well. The dimensions and leade of the .223 Remington minimum C.I.P. chamber also differ from the 5.56mm NATO chamber specification.
Using commercial .223 Remington cartridges in a 5.56mm NATO chambered rifle should work reliably, but generally will not be as accurate as when fired from a .223 Remington chambered gun due to the longer leade.[9] Using 5.56mm NATO mil-spec cartridges (such as the M855) in a .223 Remington chambered rifle can lead to excessive wear and stress on the rifle and even be unsafe, and the SAAMI recommends against the practice.[10][11] Some commercial rifles marked as ".223 Remington" are in fact suited for 5.56mm NATO, such as many commercial AR-15 variants and the Ruger Mini-14, but the manufacturer should always be consulted to verify that this is acceptable before attempting it, and signs of excessive pressure (such as flattening or gas staining of the primers) should be looked for in the initial testing with 5.56mm NATO ammunition.[12]
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