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Does anyone know if the Stag Modle 8 has these or which one it does not have ...thank you :)

Type III for Hard Anodize
IS THE BOLT "SHOT PEENED"
BOLT Carrier and GAS KEY properly STAKED
Staking of the castle Nut
IS IT 4150 steel? or 4140?
WHAT type of buffer H1 ? H2?
DOES IT HAVE A BLACK SPRING IN THE BOLT OR A BLUE ONE? PROPER EXTRACTOR INSERT AND SPRING?
M4 Feed Ramp Barrel Extension
M4 Feed Ramp Flat Top Receiver
T-Marked Upper Receivers
USGI 1/7 Twist Rates
USGI 5.56 NATO Chambers ...I under stand that it is a 223 wylde chamber and allows for both but any "reliability information on this chambering and advantages and disadvantages compared to a USGI 5.56mm chamber would help)
Mil-Spec 11595E - Certified Barrel Steel (CMV)
Chrome Lined Bore and Chamber
Manganese Phosphate Barrel Finish
Mil-Spec F-Marked Forged Front Sights ... IS it pinned to Barrel or clamped
USGI Government Profile Barrels
HPT (High Pressure Test) Barrels AND BOLTS
MPI (Magnetic Particle Inspected) Barrels
M4 Feed Ramp Barrel Extension (USGI)
M4 Feed Ramp Flat Top Receiver
 
Advantage of the Wylde chamber is two fold... 1. Can use both 556 and 223. 2. Can be exported from the USA where a 5.56 chamber can not be.

Not sure on the rest of the items.

Did a quick google search. The Model 8 appears to be a gas piston rifle with a 16" 1-9 Twist barrel. 4140 barrel. Taper pinned gas block. Parked under gas block. No M4 ramps. Properly staked gas key. No shot peen. No MPI. Chrome lined. USGI profile.
 
This list you have. It is important, why? What website is telling you this? Or which website did you copy and paste this from?

Contact Arms East, they distribute STAG here in Canada.
 
All those things on the list go into making an AR 15 a "AR 15". As far as I'm concerned MIL-spec should be the LEAST quality you should want on a rifle since they buy cheap and in bulk to buy An AR-15 without these features is like buying a Lamborghini with a Honda civic engine and parts in it with some little rink dinky tires. wtf? right.

"The Model 8 appears to be a gas piston rifle with a 16" 1-9 Twist barrel. 4140 barrel. Taper pinned gas block. Parked under gas block. No M4 ramps. Properly staked gas key. No shot peen. No MPI. Chrome lined. USGI profile"

Not so-I saw the gun in person it is marked on Barrel 1/7 twist MP
 
utoronto said:
All those things on the list go into making an AR 15 a "AR 15". As far as I'm concerned MIL-spec should be the LEAST quality you should want on a rifle since they buy cheap and in bulk to buy An AR-15 without these features is like buying a Lamborghini with a Honda civic engine and parts in it with some little rink dinky tires. wtf? right.

"The Model 8 appears to be a gas piston rifle with a 16" 1-9 Twist barrel. 4140 barrel. Taper pinned gas block. Parked under gas block. No M4 ramps. Properly staked gas key. No shot peen. No MPI. Chrome lined. USGI profile"

Not so-I saw the gun in person it is marked on Barrel 1/7 twist MP
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If you have seen the rifle in person why are you asking about what you already know? If the items on your list are so important to you, you can rule out the Stag. You need a KAC, or a Colt LE6920. Nothing else available in the civvy world will fill your requirements. The Colt will be the cheaper offering at around 3000 bucks. The KAC if you can find one are pushing 5K.

I have run Colt, Armalite, Olympic Arms, DPMS, Bushmaster and Norinco. They all went bang, hit the target with good accuracy and were extremely reliable. The Armalite had a *gasp* clamp on gas block and no black ring in the bolt! Never skipped a beat and shot little wee groups all day long. The Olympic Arms/SGW never came within one mile of MilSpec and it is still running strong with her new owner shooting wee little groups and never jamming. The MilSpec was strong within the Colt and it ran the same as all the others. Now I run a Norinco as it is the only way to have an AR and afford to eat.

Anyways, what I am getting at is the following: You want to drink the MilSpec kool-aid; it will cost you money and on a rifle range shooting paper targets it is not worth the extra couple of grand, IMHO. If I was on a two way range, I would pony up the extra dough and get something like a KAC, LMT or Colt.
 
I do believe the chart someone posted in your "do you know your AR" thread covered exactly what you are asking for.

Most of the items on that list will not make a difference with how the Canadian users are allowed to use the AR for.
 
"I wonder if this is the same guy who was looking to buy .22 ammo last week from the pawn shop because he ran out......???? "

I wonder how out of 300,000,000 million sperm you were the fastest??? Weird....:)

"If you have seen the rifle in person why are you asking about what you already know?"
I am no expert Idont know how to check if the bolt was shot peened I dont know how to check to see if its IS IT 4150 steel? or 4140? or if its been staked right???

you can rule out the Stag. You need a KAC,???? WHY WHAT IS ACTUALLY MISSING ON THE STAG .....which Part? People keep saying ohh just buy a colt then or a KAC but no one can really tell me why the just "FEEL" like colt or KAC is better but which parts are different and how are they different and can it be switched

Is there a dam book I can buy that has all the answers?
 
utoronto said:
Is there a dam book I can buy that has all the answers?
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Hehe, yeah I wish that were true, but by the time it is published, it's info would already be obsolete. I'll try to answer at least one of your queries..

One difference between a Stag and a KAC, at least the models available to Canadians right now, is the length of the direct impingement gas system. The Stag has a carbine length gas system, the KAC a mid-length gas system. What's the difference? Since the gas travels further in the mid-length system, that affects perceived recoil and potential wear on the bolt carrier group, less in both instances. There are other differences, but the question of whether those actually matter to a civilian shooter in Canada are arguable.

One question I would pose to you would be: are the differences worth the premium you would pay for a KAC vs a Stag? That difference would go a long way toward a high-end red dot or quality scope, and a lot of ammunition to practice with.

If you want to learn the AR platform, be prepared to spend the time researching and visiting forums like CGN and ar15.com, and sorting through all the different opinions out there.

Personally I have complete respect for both Stag and KAC rifles, and money permitting would own both. It is worth noting that warranty support for the Stag is great in Canada, through Arms East. Getting warranty support for a KAC would be more difficult, as it would likely be shipped to the US. At that point you're hostage to whatever US DoS or DoC policy is in place at that time.

-- L.
 
Stag makes good rifles that work. If you are looking for a piston driven Milspec AR you are looking for a Unicorn. As for your list you don't need most, and don't want some of the items.

If you ask a question like "I am looking to buy an AR do I need a 1/7" barrel?" you will get a constructive answer, like "only if you plan on shooting 62gr tracer or bullets heavier than 75gr, 1/9" is the current do all twist rate as it works well from 55-69gr".
 
Personally I have been considering the piston driven Stag, but more recently I am favoring having one made for me by ATRS. I think its something like $1800 (stag) vs $2800+- (ATRS).
 
rivetc78 said:
?? The first ones people paid $4500...and they are readily available, you just have to import it from the Canadian Distributor.

Down to $3000ish now. The upper is $1700.
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The last people of the first batch may have paid that much, but the first people in paid much less if you remember how pricing actually went.
 
utoronto said:
"I wonder if this is the same guy who was looking to buy .22 ammo last week from the pawn shop because he ran out......???? "

I wonder how out of 300,000,000 million sperm you were the fastest??? Weird....:)

"If you have seen the rifle in person why are you asking about what you already know?"
I am no expert Idont know how to check if the bolt was shot peened I dont know how to check to see if its IS IT 4150 steel? or 4140? or if its been staked right???

you can rule out the Stag. You need a KAC,???? WHY WHAT IS ACTUALLY MISSING ON THE STAG .....which Part? People keep saying ohh just buy a colt then or a KAC but no one can really tell me why the just "FEEL" like colt or KAC is better but which parts are different and how are they different and can it be switched

Is there a dam book I can buy that has all the answers?
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They don't feel any better, they just meet the MilSpec requirements of your little list. The list of what the Stag has it shorter than what it is missing. The Stag will have the black ring, taper pins, chrome lined barrel, T marked upper, USGI-ish barrel profile, parked under the FSB and parked barrel finish. The other MilSpec stuff it does not have. It is 4140 steel and NO shot peen.

Will you ever notice? NO. Stag makes a fine product but you seem so bloody hung up on the MilSpec kool-aid that you will not be happy with anything less than a Colt LE6920.
 
btw, someone mention ArmsEast :
I bought my Stag on ArmsEast and I had a really good experience with these guy ! Excellent Service, always there when you have a question about your AR + excellent rifle, after 1000 round never had a missfire or any problem.
 
Reboot-Me said:
btw, someone mention ArmsEast :
I bought my Stag on ArmsEast and I had a really good experience with these guy ! Excellent Service, always there when you have a question about your AR + excellent rifle, after 1000 round never had a missfire or any problem.
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I have over 8500 rounds through my Stag 4R with only one stoppage which was due to operator error "improperly seated mag", and it still groups well.
 
To the OP, please check out the add page on our webstore as well as the pictures, I hope they would answer most of your questions?

Some of it:

Stag Arms 8-R Piston Special Edition.


  • Piston system replaces gas-impingement system, keeping hot gases out of the bolt and receiver. Piston gas block is taper pinned to the barrel for lifelong durability and contains an integral lower Picatinny rail for mounting of lights or other accessories.
  • 16" 4150 Chrome-Moly Vanadium Barrel, 1/7 Twist. MP (Magnetic Particle) Inspected. Hard Chrome lined for longer barrel life, easier extraction and faster bore cleaning. Extended M4 Feedramps.
  • 223 Wylde Chamber (Accurized 5.56 chamber. Shoots 223/5.56 ammunition).
  • Highly effective YHM Phantom Compensator reduces recoil allowing for faster follow-up shots.
  • Picatinny mounted MI Flip Front Sight and Low Profile Same-Plane Flip rear sight.
  • 6-Position Stock on milspec receiver extension.
  • Latest Milspec Materials and Finishes throughout.
  • LIFETIME WARRANTY to the original buyer.
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Any other questions, please don't hesitate to give us a call to discuss your requirements, or email info @ armseast.com.

I assume you are in Toronto, if so, check out Target Sports Center, Ellwood Epps or Silverdale, I think they have these rifles on display.

Best regards.
DT
 
utoronto said:
"The Model 8 appears to be a gas piston rifle with a 16" 1-9 Twist barrel. 4140 barrel. Taper pinned gas block. Parked under gas block. No M4 ramps. Properly staked gas key. No shot peen. No MPI. Chrome lined. USGI profile"

Not so-I saw the gun in person it is marked on Barrel 1/7 twist MP
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To fix.
The Model 8 is a gas piston rifle with a 16" 1-7 Twist barrel. 4150 barrel. Taper pinned gas block. Parked under gas block. M4 ramps. Integral gas key. Shot peened (All Stag Arms bolts are shot peened, 'chart' error, one of many). MPI Inspected barrel and bolt (All CDN Stags have MPI bolt regardless). Chrome lined. USGI profile"

I see you see it. There's the specs on it.

Regards,
DT
 
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