Stalingrad Battle of Death 3 Parts (english )

I just don't understand the love some people have for that Genocidal Paranoid Xenophobic Georgian Pedophile, Joseph Dzhugashvili, Otherwise known as Stalin....

I especially don't understand how many Slavic people love him? Stalin hated the Slavs, Ukrainians, and Jews, and enjoyed killing them. Why venerate him? If you are proud of your Russian/Soviet heritage, why not admire the soldiers and Generals that actually contributed to the death of the Fascist invaders? If anything, Stalin made the Soviet Union more vulnerable and prolonged the war by being in charge...

I'd happily spit on the grave of that old Georgian Fatback too if I get the chance.
 
Desert_Fox said:
I just don't understand the love some people have for that Genocidal Paranoid Xenophobic Georgian Pedophile, Joseph Dzhugashvili, Otherwise known as Stalin....

I especially don't understand how many Slavic people love him? Stalin hated the Slavs, Ukrainians, and Jews, and enjoyed killing them. Why venerate him? If you are proud of your Russian/Soviet heritage, why not admire the soldiers and Generals that actually contributed to the death of the Fascist invaders? If anything, Stalin made the Soviet Union more vulnerable and prolonged the war by being in charge...

I'd happily spit on the grave of that old Georgian Fatback too if I get the chance.
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History is not balck and white, things are usually very complicated and have good sides as well as bad sides. Some looks only at the bad sides, some just on good ones - that's why some people love Stalin, some hate him. If you interested in that time you'll need to study history a lot so you can understand all aspects of Stalin's era. Spitting on him after he's gone is as wrong as love him. Besides every dictator goes as far as population allows him to go. Just my opinion of course.
 
I have a book called "Soldat" written by a German officer who was captured in Russia and spent years in the camps there. When they finally put men on the train back to Berlin, the NKVD boarded at every stop on the way back and would take a few men off the train. They even took a couple right at Berlin, at the final stop, just before repatriation. None were ever heard from again....
 
If there was a "LIKE" button like in facebook I would put it for your comment. I think that you are really know what you talking about. It is exactly like you put it. Too bad that after that great effort that everyone had in fighting Hitler, the cold war started.

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It is indeed fortunate that Hitler was incompetent in his estimates and leadership. Had he been a better tactician and more importantly listened to those around him who were, Germany would have completely controlled Europe. He underestimated England's resistance, probably thought there would be an easy victory there, and then when there wasn't he lost interest and began to concentrate on his main objective, which had been the East all along. As well, probably in 1940 he was also concerned about the German population's willingness to absorb casualties. Had he stuck it out and actually invaded England, saving the invasion of Russia for when he had only one front to worry about, it is likely he would have succeeded, particularly if he had used his capital surface ships properly. With England out of the way, there would have been no "offshore" base in Continental Europe from which the remaining Allied powers (ie Canada, US) could have bombed German industry, supplied Malta, launched invasions of North Africa, Italy or France, or supplied the Resistance movements. That would have freed up ALL German power for the war in the East, left their transportation and manufacturing infrastructure intact, and of course left them the oilfields in Africa/Saudi area for the taking.

I remember reading somewhere that at no point after Barbarossa started did the Wehrmacht ever have less than 60% of its forces engaged or involved in the Eastern Front. Flipped around, that means that the remaining 40% was what was in Africa, Italy, France, Denmark, Belgium, the Netherlands, etc. The second front opened by the Western Allies helped keep that 40% from the East, which was really where the main war was fought. One can only imagine how something like the invasion of Normandy would have gone if the Germans had been able to bring more forces to bear in France......... Canadian, British and American troops took a large number of casualties in Italy and France, by our standards, but those numbers dwindle down a lot when one thinks about how many the Russians (and Germans) lost in places like Stalingrad, the battle of Kursk, etc.

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Is it in English I want to read it. There was many things that happened to Russian and Germans during and after the war.

RMXC51 said:
I have a book called "Soldat" written by a German officer who was captured in Russia and spent years in the camps there. When they finally put men on the train back to Berlin, the NKVD boarded at every stop on the way back and would take a few men off the train. They even took a couple right at Berlin, at the final stop, just before repatriation. None were ever heard from again....
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I can also recommend "STUKA PILOT" by Hans Ulrich Rudel and "Erinnerungen eines Soldaten" by Heinz Guderian. I think i read in english both of the books few years ago. Rudel was a German pilot who has pro-Hitler and and supported his ideas and Guderian belonged to German military elite who didn't like Hitler at all. Of course every memoirs should be taken with grain of salt, but those books give interesting insight on the war from the otehr side.
 
this is a real eye opener for those of us that have no experience with the brutality of war .it also shows how those that govern can get so far out of touch with those they govern .thanks for posting as i took the time to watch it all .i had a couple of uncles that fought in the war and lived to tell about it . they did give me some insight into the horrors that they witnessed .
 
The heroes of Stalingrad were the Russian peasant soldiers who beat the Germans house-to-house despite almost non-existent training and having a commissar behind you ready to shoot you if you doubted your orders for a second. Those guys had it worse than anyone else.

The Russian vets deserve all the praise in the world. Stalin on the other hand has a special place in hell reserved for him, likely the next cell besides Hitler. If the citizens of Volvograd want to commemorate the battle they would name it the equivalent of victory city - or something similar. I am sure it would sound keen in Russian.
 
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You guys know 12 hero cities of Russia. All of them read below

Hero City (Russian: город-герой, gorod-geroy, Ukrainian: місто-герой, misto-heroy, Belarusian: горад-герой, horad-heroy) is a Soviet honorary title awarded for outstanding heroism during World War II (known in the Soviet Union as The Great Patriotic War). It was awarded to twelve cities of the Soviet Union. In addition the Brest Fortress was awarded an equivalent title of Hero Fortress. This symbolic distinction for a city corresponds to the individual distinction Hero of the Soviet Union.

According to the statute, the hero city is issued the Order of Lenin, the Gold Star medal, and the certificate of the heroic deed (gramota) from the Presidium of the Supreme Soviet of the USSR. Also, the corresponding obelisk is installed in the city.

2 Brest Fortress
3 Leningrad (Saint Petersburg)
4 Stalingrad (Volgograd)
5 Оdessa
6 Sevastopol
7 Moscow
8 Kiev
9 Novorossiysk
10 Kerch
11 Minsk
12 Tula
13 Murmansk
14 Smolensk

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Category:Hero_Cities_of_the_Soviet_Union

Города-герои
№ Страна Город-герой Дата присвоения звания
1 Flag of Russia.svg Россия Ленинград (ныне Санкт-Петербург) 8 мая 1965 года
2 Flag of Ukraine.svg Украина Одесса 8 мая 1965 года
3 Flag of Ukraine.svg Украина Севастополь 8 мая 1965 года
4 Flag of Russia.svg Россия Волгоград (бывш. Сталинград) 8 мая 1965 года
5 Flag of Ukraine.svg Украина Киев 8 мая 1965 года
6 Flag of Belarus.svg Белоруссия Брестская крепость (крепость-герой) 8 мая 1965 года[5]
7 Flag of Russia.svg Россия Москва 8 мая 1965 года
8 Flag of Ukraine.svg Украина Керчь 14 сентября 1973 года
9 Flag of Russia.svg Россия Новороссийск 14 сентября 1973 года
10 Flag of Belarus.svg Белоруссия Минск 26 июня 1974 года
11 Flag of Russia.svg Россия Тула 7 декабря 1976 года
12 Flag of Russia.svg Россия Мурманск 6 мая 1985 года
13 Flag of Russia.svg Россия Смоленск 6 мая 1985 года



sledge said:
The heroes of Stalingrad were the Russian peasant soldiers who beat the Germans house-to-house despite almost non-existent training and having a commissar behind you ready to shoot you if you doubted your orders for a second. Those guys had it worse than anyone else.

The Russian vets deserve all the praise in the world. Stalin on the other hand has a special place in hell reserved for him, likely the next cell besides Hitler. If the citizens of Volvograd want to commemorate the battle they would name it the equivalent of victory city - or something similar. I am sure it would sound keen in Russian.
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The bravest thing was when Zukov delayed operation Uranus because no-one had their act together. A couple of days later it worked, and the 6th Army were toast.
That and the Tatsinskaya tank raid on the airfield. Brave to suggest such an operation and much as execute it.
 
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