Starting a modest mauser collection,?

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Greetings all!...Been thinking of adding a few mausers to the collection..I am a novice when it comes to mausers for sure..With the ones on the market now and the EE,..Which rifles should I look at picking up? I do like the Czech VZ24..
Any advice would be sincerely appreciated...cheers. .R..
 
Warning, there are hundreds if not thousands of Mauser variants.
If you are wanting to start a collection I would try to narrow it down by country or by model you like. I personally have a Yugoslavian M24/47 and a Russian Capture K98k. I like them both but if I could do it again for those two I would buy two or three different Swedish Mausers and a VZ 24. Personally if I was buying a VZ 24 I would look for one with the crest intact though, the magazine capture screws and cleaning rod there as well.
Some of the Mausers command premium prices such as vet bring back K98k's etc. It is best to do research into the different variants especially if your buying German Mausers. Lots of faked parts or inaccurate claims which is why I won't even touch them as I don't have the knowledge myself.
The other thing to do is watch the prices people are selling them at and where they are moving and where they are not. For example people have been able to move most Swedish Mausers in the 300 range pretty quickly but in the 400 range they tend to sit for awhile.
 
VZ-24, Chilean 1912, Swedish, and RC K98k's are just a few of the collectible variants readily available. Watch the EE for hard to find or less common Mausers.

Depending on your budget, I would also recommend trying to find some of the unissued Brazilian 1908's or 1935's. These easily out do the Swedish Mausers for quality of build and fit and finish.
 
There are also the Israeli captured/ re-purposed ones. They have an interesting history.

As others have said: prepare to eat ramen for the next year or so.

EDIT: The Chinese copies would be a worthy addition to any collection as well.
 
Hmmmmm,..I think I may start with the VZ24 and go from there....I can't say that I am enamored with anything German,..K98 or otherwise,..though the Russian capture K98's are interesting too
 
Collecting Mausers is not only addictive and confusing, but it also can be educational and a lot of fun.

With Mausers, you can have a single rack of rifles which illustrate the entire development of the bolt rifle from 1869 through to the last military versions.

There are several distinct ACTIONS; you need one of each. These are the 1869 (rare in this country), 1871, 1871/84, 1888, 1889, 1891, 1892/3/5, 1894 or 1896 (all are substantially functionally identical), then the 1898, which is the crown of the series and was definitely still in production a couple of years ago. The 1869 and 1871 are single-shots, the 71/84 is a tube-magazine repeater blackpowder rifle based on the 1871 bolt. The 1888 is part Mauser, part Mannlicher, turned into a mostly-Mauser during its Service, 1889 was the rifle that Paul Mauser WANTED to build, the 91 is a development from it. The 1892 brought the long-claw extractor and the 1898 was, according to The MASTER, perfect. A lot of people seem to agree with him on that point.

The British P-'13 and P-'14 are developments of the Boer 1895 Mausers (which they called 1896s) and the American M-1917 is a development of the P-'14..... and the M-1917 turned into the Remington 30S, Remington 30 Express, Remington 720 et cetera and also as the Winchester 54, Model 70 et cetera.

The one I want is one of the Latvian or Estonian 98s..... in .303! LOT of bucks, though; I doubt I will ever even see one.
 
You can start a representative Mauser collection with very few rifles. Once assembled, this collection will show you the thought processes of Paul Mauser as he refined the very-basic 71 into the world-famous 98.

The 1871 was a black-powder single-shot which was made primarily in Germany but also in Austria and England. The original German ones are cheapest and they are identical with the rifles sold to Siam and to China. They also were sold all over the world. Uruguayan Daudetau is a mod of the 71 Mauser to a 6.5mm. 71s were issued heavily to German Colonial troops in WW1 and a few served as late as 1945 with the Deutsche Volkssturm.

71/84 is a tube-mag development of the 71 into a repeater. The magazine was heavily-inspired by the Austrian Kropatscheks which were in service with the French Marines. In addition to German military use, large numbers were sold in 9.5mm to Turkey and it became the foundation of the Serbian Koka. A number of these were smuggled into Ireland by submarine before the Easter Rising. Many were sold here both before and after the Great War and, at one time, there was a .43 Mauser behind half the kitchen doors in Western Canada.

The 1888 was built on a developed/modded 71 bolt system, including the now-standard Mauser safety but with forward lugs added. As built, it used a Mannlicher clip but this was modded into a Mauser Charger before the Great War. Huge numbers went to Turkey and most of the unscrood 88s in Canada today are Turkish milsurps which served from about 1890 through the 1960s. Many of these were sold in China and it was built there for many years as the Hanyang rifle, without the Schlegelmilch barrel-jacket.

The 1889 was the rifle that Mauser thought Germany should adopt. Pure Mauser with the barrel-jacket, charger-loading, 1-piece bolt, Mauser safety. It was adopted by Belgium, which formed the FN company to manufacture it. Modded as the 1890, a bunch went to Turkey.... and a few survive today. 1889, 1890 and 1891 all used a ####-on-close bolt as did the next series.

The 1891 was a basic 1889 bolt with a few mods, extractor in the boltface (think Remington's "3 concentric rings of steel" ads from the 1960s), ####-on-close, charger-fed. The magazines on the 1889, 1890 and 1891 were blatant infringements of the Lee patent. Mauser developed this mag into a type entirely inside the rifle, thus infringing the Lee patent in a different way, added the long-claw extractor and called it the

1892...... which was bought by Spain, developed quickly into the 1893 (Spain and others), then into the 1894 (Brazil and others), the 1895 (most of South America, Oranje Vrei Stadt, Zuid Afrikaans Republijek and many others).... and into that little 1894 Carbine and the very-similar 1896 Swede (high cocking-piece for easier manipulation). 1890 through 1896 all featured charger feed and ####-on-close bolts, were solid, workmanlike rifles and could be quite astonishingly accurate. There is a high amount of parts interchangeability among this entire series, so likely they can be represented with a single rifle.

Then came the 1898, to which was added the third (safety) lug, 3-position safety/disassembly and the last word in controlled feeding. It also featured a reversion to the 1871-type ####-on-opening bolt, but with all the improvements of the previous 27 years. GEW 98, Kar 98aZ, Kar 98b, KAR 98K, vz-24, FN-1924, Chilean 1912, Brazilian 1908 and 1935 and so many others ALL are 98s.

Everything else (stocks, barrels, calibres, receiver rings, action lengths et cetera) is subsidiary to the designs of the ACTIONS. It forms a very clear development path when you compare the series.

So you need 1 of each of those, plus a P-'14 or M-1917..... and you need a Remington Model 30 and a Winchester 54.

And a 1903 Springfield, a blatant ripoff of the 98 design, muddled with bits from the old Krag and a 547-yard zero. Oh, the Americans PAID for that..... in gold. And blood.

But that's the basic series.

Good luck!
 
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I never thought I was a Mauser collector but I think I might be!

I currently have a 71/84 Mauser, 2 swede m96's and a Turkish 98.

I like them all, the 71/84 is one of the nicest made rifles I have ,especially when you consider that it was made in 1887.
The swedes are amazing rifles built to highest standards and capable of better shooting then me!! I must say though that I have a sweet spot for the old Turk, it's well worn but it just reeks of history!!

The Turk is at Smellie's place awaiting life saving surgery (counterbore) I hope she will one day be on the range again!! If she can't be saved, I'll have to buy yet another Turk mauser, perhaps it will be an 88 commission rifle this time!!:)

You can never have enough mausers!!
 
Two books for a start.

Start with Ludwig Olson's MAUSER BOLT RIFLES, a very genuine Classic.

Then get Ball's 3rd-edition picture-book with all the super photos of what you might run into.

Ball is light on development, Olson is not. I am more concerned with the actual process of design, which is why the blithering in the previous posts.

For sheer exhaustive study, David M. Armstrong of Alexandria, Virginia has put out a little pocket reference on the Kar98k. It lists the 365 KNOWN variants of the wartime Kar98k in HIS collection.

There are a LOT of variants, you might say.
 
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