Steel shot for clay shooting grrrrr.

I tried #7 steel for skeet. It'll smash the targets good enough but alot of pellets bounced off the rim of the target a d came back. We have a trailer behind station 4 and a bunch of pellets were heard hitting it from targets that were broke clean
If moving to steel becomes mandatory they'll have to up the size of shot for safety
#7 steel is horrible for doves passed 20 yards as well
 
brybenn said:
I tried #7 steel for skeet. It'll smash the targets good enough but alot of pellets bounced off the rim of the target a d came back. We have a trailer behind station 4 and a bunch of pellets were heard hitting it from targets that were broke clean
If moving to steel becomes mandatory they'll have to up the size of shot for safety
#7 steel is horrible for doves passed 20 yards as well
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Exactly my point, going from #9 to #7 still leaves a decent pattern with a 12 gauge, but it makes for a fairly sparse pattern in the 410. The result will be lost targets. And that shot bouncing off of the target rims creats a safety hazard. If you upsize all the way to #6 for safety, even the larger gauge patterns will be significantly effected.
 
I read an article somewhere about a range in the us that rolls out some kind of black fabric on the ground and uses a machine to sweep up the shot and recycle it, to avoid lead contamination
 
What about the potential range site alterations regarding potential shot fall zones etc. I am positive (like with many changes) the Firearm's Offices throughout the country will be forcing clubs to re-engineer layouts perhaps
 
Ungrateful said:
No, but for some it might make more sense to raise prices than force people to switch to steel shot.
There is also this system

https://www.greenrange.com.au/shotstop
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Many of our clubs are small, non profit clubs, with no more than 25-50 shooters, there is no way that we could afford this. If steel shot becomes mandatory, these small clubs will fold up, because there won't be enough shooters to keep them operating.
 
stubblejumper said:
Steel will likely hurt skeet more than sporting clays, as steel will mean larger size and less shot, which will be a handicap with the 410, and to a lesser extent the 28 gauge.
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I thought the idea of the smaller gauges was to make it harder... I once knew a guy who could run 500 straight with a 12 gauge. Not much challenge for him.
 
stubblejumper said:
Exactly my point, going from #9 to #7 still leaves a decent pattern with a 12 gauge, but it makes for a fairly sparse pattern in the 410. The result will be lost targets. And that shot bouncing off of the target rims creats a safety hazard. If you upsize all the way to #6 for safety, even the larger gauge patterns will be significantly effected.
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Steel offers more pellets than lead for the same weight. 410 would need a 3" hull
#6 steel 7/8oz patterns great. It just doesnt carry duck killing energy very far.
I use #6 steel for doves and shots with in 35 yards its generally a flight canceled dead bird in the air.
Ill always prefer lead

However when ppl like Simon rhinhold are saying its safe to shoot standard steel in any nitro proofed gun with half choke or less I do have hope that my vintage guns will keep going afield. My damascus guns will be the first to be hung up im afraid
 
guntech said:
I thought the idea of the smaller gauges was to make it harder... I once knew a guy who could run 500 straight with a 12 gauge. Not much challenge for him.
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And how many 100 straights have you run? Look around the average skeet club, how many shooters have ever run 100 straight? How many have run 100 with a 410?
 
brybenn said:
Steel offers more pellets than lead for the same weight. 410 would need a 3" hull
#6 steel 7/8oz patterns great. It just doesnt carry duck killing energy very far.
I use #6 steel for doves and shots with in 35 yards its generally a flight canceled dead bird in the air.
Ill always prefer lead

However when ppl like Simon rhinhold are saying its safe to shoot standard steel in any nitro proofed gun with half choke or less I do have hope that my vintage guns will keep going afield. My damascus guns will be the first to be hung up im afraid
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Exactly 410 would require a 3" hull, unless the USA mandates steel, the rules won't change to allow that. And 3" hulls only hold 3/8oz of steel, not 1/2oz. And then there is the fact that we all load 2-1/2" with 2-1/2" presses, and our stockpiles of hulls are 2-1/2". And of course nobody makes high quality 3" hulls or target loads. And unless the USA mandates steel, no manufacturer will start making 3" steel target loads.
 
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I agree 100% but our Canadian dictator does not care about shooting sports. Skeet would become a 2 possibly 3 gauge game. Unless we introduce the 16ga and drop the 410 lol.
16ga ammo seems to be all over right now in my area. Lead steel and bismuth
 
Steel shot mandates would be the end of my old full choke guns like my SuperX, Double Auto, Model 12....

No, I would not incur the expense of sending them all off to get reamed out
 
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