Steer me toward a new single stage press.
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pretty right on
I shoot short range benchrest and at one time about 5 years ago held most of the alberta provincial records and some canadian records, was the canadian team rep for the world benchrest federation for 7 years, shot on the team #2 for canada in vienna austria where the team I was on finished 4th in the 2 gun grand aggregate championship, finished 14th in the world at 200 yard 10 shot in USA in 2005, now shoot some f-class,
AND I SAY
I used a harrels press for Br and a co-ax for f-class
there that good enough for you non-accuracy buffs,
some of you need to grow up and get a life, just 'cause I do not hunt anymore and can shoot the eye out of a sparrow at 600 yards in the wind with a used savage I bought on line does not mean some of us are blind to good ammo and what it can do to help us get into the winning circle, the only circle most of you have been in is a circle jerk,
have fun with this
Jefferson
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Ahhh, nothing but class. It is supprising more people don't shoot your sport.
I suppose considering those sports need almost no knowledge or use of marksmanship principles, you need to concentrate your effort on something....
And this has what to do with a single stage press? Staying on topic and refraining from insults would be appreciated.
Jefferson's post did reference the accuracy single stage presses can and do achieve....backed up by results. Fwiw.
And the lack of respect for others AND the shooting sports comes out....
Oh, and no doubt a "beltfed" takes the utmost in marksmanship skills?
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You weren't supposed to be quoted there, not sure how I did that actually.... maybe I accidentally learned to multi quote
My point was that he was making fun of the lack of apparent skill that those particular shooting disciplines take.then I pointed out it was interesting someone who goes by the handle beltfed would suggest that OTHER shooting sports take no marksmanship abilities
...and you and Jefferson are making assumptions because I load ammunition on and suggested a progressive as an alternative to a turret in addition to my suggestion on concentrating effort on quality dies somehow invalidates my opinion or ability to make quality or accurate ammunition.
You carry forward with an absurd suggestion that by shooting the benchrest or F-Class disciplines somehow makes that individual's experience superior to other shooting sports by the simple virtue of being involved in them.
You want to believe progressives suck and are willing to dismiss them out of hand because that is what you have been told to believe?
Don't think the majority of single stage presses do essentially the same thing with pretty much the same level of accuracy?
Don't think custom competition type dies really offer a key ingredient to making quality ammo?
Fine, by all means believe what you want.
I'd wager a bet though you may change your tune once you have actually accumulated some experience with it.
...and you and Jefferson are making assumptions because I load ammunition on and suggested a progressive as an alternative to a turret in addition to my suggestion on concentrating effort on quality dies somehow invalidates my opinion or ability to make quality or accurate ammunition.
You carry forward with an absurd suggestion that by shooting the benchrest or F-Class disciplines somehow makes that individual's experience superior to other shooting sports by the simple virtue of being involved in them.
You want to believe progressives suck and are willing to dismiss them out of hand because that is what you have been told to believe?
Don't think the majority of single stage presses do essentially the same thing with pretty much the same level of accuracy?
Don't think custom competition type dies really offer a key ingredient to making quality ammo?
Fine, by all means believe what you want.
I'd wager a bet though you may change your tune once you have actually accumulated some experience with it.
Obviously there is a reading comprehension problem here.....
I never said that the fact you use a progressive invalidates your opinion... where did I say that?
I never said that progressives suck, only that a high quality single stage or arbor press would turn out more prefect ammo, all other things equal. I even went so far as to say it probably wouldn't matter to most shooters or their scores, but that often people want the absolute best ammo they can make, and too do that you do it on a single stage and/or an arbor press.
And no, I carry forward that the best bench rest shooters, by nature, require the smallest groups. They also, by nature, take the most care in making their ammo, compared to any other disciplines that doesn't mean it is superior experience, it means that they have experience at making one aspect very good.
A guy like you would likely have superior experience turning out good ammo quickly. They turn out nearly perfect ammo slowly. Two very different things.
And it's not what I've been told to believe, it's what I've deduced from spending a great deal of time looking into it.
When did I say that custom dies don't make a difference?
It's amazing all these things that I've said, that I didn't say. I must have missed some of my posts....
smarten up henderson, i shoot with you in f-class and short range BR and your post is rather condescending to me especially after your last e-mail where yo usay you are having fun poking guys by posting and this seems to indicate your displeasure at my post, please let me know which is it the post or your e-mail that is correct so I can adjust my conduct towards you accordingly
this will leave people with the wrong impression of yuour thoughts on my posts
Jefferson
this will leave people with the wrong impression of yuour thoughts on my posts
Jefferson
I suppose you think this guy is more of an expert
http://www.canadiangunnutz.com/forum/showthread.php/1156261-Progressive-press-question/page2 mr silverfox who posts over 1000 per month since his joining only 2 years ago, most be some bright guy eh!
the reason most people do not shoot short range Br (not my sport as you seem to infer) is because of
cost, time and effort to excel, cost, reloading at the range, cost of range flags and precision equipment, high power fixed scopes and so on , not because we attempt to assist them in getting good info, and yes make fun of the lack of knowledge and yet the high fluff of expertise in most who do not know anything,
and you are saying the sport of BR and F-class need almost no knowledge or use of marksmanship principles HUH NOTHING COULD BE FURTHER FROM THE TRUTH, do you learn from those who set records .176 for 5 5 shot groups with a moving backer at 100 yards and measuered for a canadian record or THOSE WHO BUY SECOND HAND BULLK 223 AMMO AND PUT IT THROUGH A BELTFED
you live in calgary, come to a BR match and put up a couple of thousand bucks and see who takes the money at the end of the weekend, mr braggart,
have fun as you might be in line for a promotion lead circle jerk master
Jefferson
...and you and Jefferson are making assumptions because I load ammunition on and suggested a progressive as an alternative to a turret in addition to my suggestion on concentrating effort on quality dies somehow invalidates my opinion or ability to make quality or accurate ammunition.
I MADE NO SUCH ASSUMPTION CHUMP
You carry forward with an absurd suggestion that by shooting the benchrest or F-Class disciplines somehow makes that individual's experience superior to other shooting sports by the simple virtue of being involved in them.
NOT BY THE SIMPLE VIRTURE OF BEING INVOLVED BUT IN SOMETHING CALLED WINNING AND WINNING A LOT
You want to believe progressives suck and are willing to dismiss them out of hand because that is what you have been told to believe?
DID NOT SAY THAT SOME PROGRESSIVES ONCE WAIT FOR IT THEY ARE TUNED CAN BE OK TO LOAD ON NOT GREAT BUT OK
Don't think the majority of single stage presses do essentially the same thing with pretty much the same level of accuracy?
NO NOT A CHANCE OR ELSE EVERYONE IN THE SPORTS THAT REQUIRE THE BEST OF MARKSMANSHIP WOULD USE THEM CHEAPO PRESSES,
Don't think custom competition type dies really offer a key ingredient to making quality ammo?
yes thak you for agreeing to the principle that custom in most respects works better than mass production
Fine, by all means believe what you want.
I will continue to believe what I believe until shown that it is incorrect, and thanks
I'd wager a bet though you may change your tune once you have actually accumulated some experience with it.
MY REPLY IS IN BOLD PRINT
ONCE AGAIN YOU ARE WRONG 9 PROVINCIAL BR RECORDS OVER TIME 4 CANADIAN RECORDS AND NUMEROUS MATCH AND SMALL GROUP AND AGGREGATE WINS IN THE USA AND PART OF THE 4 MAN TEAM IN 2007 FOR THE WORLD BR SHOOT WHERE MY TEAM (TEAM CAPTAIN AND WORLD BENCHREST FEDERATION REP FOR CANADA) FINISHED 4TH THE HIGHEST ANY CANUCK TEAM HAS EVER FINISHED,
CHRIST SAKE HOW MUCH MORE TO I HAVE TO WIN BEFORE I GET SOME KNOWLEDGE,
and yes quite a few on here are reloading fools, not that they are bad people just fools,
enjoy your day I always do
Jefferson
Thanks for posting that. It sheds some light on the situation.
I know who in Calgary I'm turning to when I get the time to really learn how to shoot! It would be awesome to go shooting with someone with those kinds of credentials!
What range do you shoot at generally? Out at rose bud I'd assume?
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There is nobody more passionate about seeing the shooting sports progress anywhere!
You've picked a good coach!
Now get off the internet and go shoot! Bunch of dang kids!
Could have started with this quote, its accurate.
OP- lots of presses out there, no single stage is better than the Co-Ax by forster. Get it, if you don't like it sell it for what you paid, and buy a lesser press.
I ordered 2 from the U.S. they combined shipping and they ended up costing less than $300 a piece.
