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I'm in the process of deactivating a sten. I have done the usual things; welded up the barrel. removed the breach face and welded up the reciever. I have also welded the selector in the semi-auto position. My question to those who may have some knowledge of deactivating is, do I need to weld up the trigger and other moving firing parts or is the selector fix sufficient?
 
Sten Deactivation

Go on "www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca" for complete informations regarding gun neutralisation.

As I know, to be accepted, neutralisation have to be done by a gunsmith.
 
If the gun is a regeistered 12(2) or 12(3), refer to the guidelines mentionned by weimajack. The powers that be will not cancel registration unless their guidelines are followed.
 
Note that the guidelines have no force in law. They are not a regulation or a law. They were tested in court a couple years ago in Alberta, and the judge did not buy into them.

WRT the question regarding the trigger mech: On a 12.2 registered gun, the trigger mech would have to be disabled to meet the CFC guideline. But since a 12.3 is no longer capable of supporting full auto, it's trigger mech could be left as is. Same deal for any of the semi auto guns....no need to neutralize anything in the trigger mech. This includes prohibs like the FN FALS if they are not full auto.

At the end of the day (CFC guideline aside) if the gun can't easily be made to fire, then it is not a gun. In the above mentioned court case in Alberta, a RCMP tech had reactivated 4 pistols, in a timeframe of between 15 minutes and 3 hours. The seller was found not guilty of selling firearms.

As I know, to be accepted, neutralisation have to be done by a gunsmith.
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They don't have to be done by a gunsmith, but they have to be signed off by a gunsmith.
 
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monkeycanada said:
I'm in the process of deactivating a sten. I have done the usual things; welded up the barrel. removed the breach face and welded up the reciever. I have also welded the selector in the semi-auto position. My question to those who may have some knowledge of deactivating is, do I need to weld up the trigger and other moving firing parts or is the selector fix sufficient?
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On the bolt- grind the face of the bolt that supports a cartridge(including the firing pin nib) back at a 45 degree angle on the inside. Thus, it can't support a cartridge, but will still look fine from the outside.
 
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As I know, to be accepted, neutralisation have to be done by a gunsmith.

They don't have to be done by a gunsmith, but they have to be signed off by a gunsmith
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Dont count on that...

A big store in Edmonton that i wont mention is quite certain that DEWATS must be DEWATTED by a licensed gunsmith.

A LICENSED verifier can not verify a dewat....the gunsmith must do the work and verify it

This doesnt mean its LAW but people are shying away from having anything to do with dewats
 
while the most important one is you cannot make a replica replicas themselves are prohibited

you can have a real prohib gun dewatted but you cant make a non-fireing one from scratch as it would be a replica as IT was NOT made by the orig manufacture of said gun

stupid i know but the law
 
Interesting.

This leads to the question of what is a real gun. If a person was to get a parts kit and restore it to look like a real gun but with say a dummy bolt or a dummy barrel. Would that be classed as an original dewatted, or a newly made replica ?
 
Klunk said:
Dont count on that...

A big store in Edmonton that i wont mention is quite certain that DEWATS must be DEWATTED by a licensed gunsmith.

A LICENSED verifier can not verify a dewat....the gunsmith must do the work and verify it

This doesnt mean its LAW but people are shying away from having anything to do with dewats
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If you go to the form 1020E which is shown at:
http://www.cfc-cafc.gc.ca/online-en_ligne/form-assistance/PDFs/1023_e.pdf

it says that a gunsmith confirms the deactivation. Nowhere does it say the work has to be done by a gunsmith.

What or how any business wants to interpret this is up to them. I can understand where a business is not going to make any money, and is putting themselves on the line signing for someone else's work.

When all is said and done though, these are guidelines, and not law.
 
Spencer said:
Interesting.

This leads to the question of what is a real gun. If a person was to get a parts kit and restore it to look like a real gun but with say a dummy bolt or a dummy barrel. Would that be classed as an original dewatted, or a newly made replica ?
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I see a few problems with that

1 restoreing a parts kit (prohib) would be manufactureing a prohibited weapon...... even if you dewatted it at some point it would have a reciever that could/would be a prohib weapon

putting a dummy bolt/barrel would be considered a replica likely......

the real problem is thier is NO real clear ruleing here and i would not want to be the test case.......
 
Spencer said:
Interesting.

This leads to the question of what is a real gun. If a person was to get a parts kit and restore it to look like a real gun but with say a dummy bolt or a dummy barrel. Would that be classed as an original dewatted, or a newly made replica ?
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That would likely be considered to be manufacturing a prohibited device, a replica.
Now, if you took your S-ASS (Semi-Auto Spencer Sten) and deactivated it, that should be a legal dewat, insofar as it was a firearm that has been deactivated.
 
tiriaq said:
That would likely be considered to be manufacturing a prohibited device, a replica.
Now, if you took your S-ASS (Semi-Auto Spencer Sten) and deactivated it, that should be a legal dewat, insofar as it was a firearm that has been deactivated.
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Ok i get it now, the way to make a dummy gun legally, is to make one that is a working gun before convering it into a dummy gun. That makes perfect sense:D
 
The CFC should put out a booklet - "A Dummy's Guide to Firearm Legislation". Lots of other Dummy's Guides out there, see them on bookstore racks all the time. They seem to be quite successful. There could be chapters on "Dummy Guns for Dummies", "Dummies and Dewats", "Dummies and Dum Dums"....
 
tiriaq said:
The CFC should put out a booklet - "A Dummy's Guide to Firearm Legislation". Lots of other Dummy's Guides out there, see them on bookstore racks all the time. They seem to be quite successful. There could be chapters on "Dummy Guns for Dummies", "Dummies and Dewats", "Dummies and Dum Dums"....
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Hahahaha...it's funny but it's not funny...:confused:
 
So much of the firearms law and regulations is so badly written, and just plain stupid, that it would be funny if it were not so serious.
Maybe there should be "A Dummy's Guide to Drafting Legislation".
Wait, maybe there is - written by dummies, for dummies.
 
There is an easier way. Save yourself all the grief and buy from Stencollector
 
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