Sten Gun advice from those who know??
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Exactly.
Any handgun barrel, anywhere, IS a prohibited device per the RCMP. No wiggle room there, as the component is prohibited whether it be on the gun or in your sock drawer wrapped in paper and cosmoline.
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He's out of stock on the MKII's right now. If you like, you can buy mine for $1575.00 (same as his price) I've put 30 rounds through it. Non-restricted. Comes with one magazine. Other than that it's brand new. Shipping should land at $35.00, but I'd cover the shipping. Other than GST, you're good to go. I'll just get him to make me another one. It's exactly the same as in the picture, except mine has a Sten sling.
I accept all forms of payment. (Visa, MC, AMEX, EMT, direct deposit)
It all comes down to intent. It's not illegal to be holding a recently removed barrel from a 12.6 handgun in your hand after you've put a restricted barrel back on your handgun. The CFC doesn't ask you to surrender the barrel or send it to be melted down. If you sell the handgun to someone else with 12.6 status, you reserve the option of putting the shorter barrel back on the handgun and keeping the restricted one. A lot of people who own S&W revolvers for example do this all the time especially if they have 12.6 status and like to buy and sell.
Again, it all comes down to intent.
If a licenced business removes a short handgun barrel from a pistol, and replaces it with a longer one to move the pistol from prohibited to restricted classification, the business MAY be allowed to retain the detached barrel, depending on the business licence.
More often the detached barrel must be destroyed, once the pistol has been rebarrelled and reclassified.
If a 12(6) pistol is rebarrelled, and reclassified as restricted, it can never have the short barrel reinstalled, and can never be returned to its former classification of 12(6) prohibited.
I guess that makes sense, to a bureaucrat: the 102mm Luger barrel is just so deadly dangerous that you can't be allowed to keep your own property, but the 106mm barrel you replaced it with renders the Luger merely anti-social and so is only restricted.
They are both PROPERTY and property is not and cannot be criminal. Only ACTIONS are criminal.
PROPERTY is protected by laws going back to 'way before Magna Charta and our Provincial Governments are responsible for protecting our property rights. Perhaps it's time that Canadians reminded the Provincial Governments of this dereliction in the matter of their duties.
You know, if the Government spent less time harassing the non-criminal and the non-violent, they would be able to shackle a bureaucrat to each and every JD, car-thief and B&E artist in the country! It might be unfair (to the criminals) but at least we would get SOME value for our money!
LOL!!
They are both PROPERTY and property is not and cannot be criminal. Only ACTIONS are criminal.
PROPERTY is protected by laws going back to 'way before Magna Charta and our Provincial Governments are responsible for protecting our property rights. Perhaps it's time that Canadians reminded the Provincial Governments of this dereliction in the matter of their duties.
You know, if the Government spent less time harassing the non-criminal and the non-violent, they would be able to shackle a bureaucrat to each and every JD, car-thief and B&E artist in the country! It might be unfair (to the criminals) but at least we would get SOME value for our money!
LOL!!
Actually you have to turn it in if you have re registered it as restricted. You have to turn it in for destruction, at least as a business you do. I am sure there is some exception out there (I don't have it on my license) They do want the barrel back. It's a prohib device to them no matter what. Killercane, drop me a line in you want, I just dealt with this very issue about two weeks ago.
Ryan
Ryan
Again, a problem.
Are they willing to PAY you for the barrel?
It is the PROPERTY of the person who owns it.
Rightfully (if that means anything in this country any longer) it can only be seized and destroyed resultant upon the issue of a Court Order pertaining to that precise part. If a Citizen wants to have a 106mm barrel on a Luger, for example, that's okay: the FRAME of the Luger is registered and IT is Restricted; the RECEIVER is the part with the 'evil' part and receivers are just spare parts. And if the Citizen wants to go through the hassle of keeping their OWN 102mm barrel (with the original serial number in place) in the vault, why not? Point is, that 102mm barrel is already registered to its legitimate owner who is licensed to have it (if IT is the prohibited device).... or it's just a spare part in the junk bin. They can't have it both ways, at least, not without a complete dictatorship.
I really hope that we haven't descended to that level yet.
Are they willing to PAY you for the barrel?
It is the PROPERTY of the person who owns it.
Rightfully (if that means anything in this country any longer) it can only be seized and destroyed resultant upon the issue of a Court Order pertaining to that precise part. If a Citizen wants to have a 106mm barrel on a Luger, for example, that's okay: the FRAME of the Luger is registered and IT is Restricted; the RECEIVER is the part with the 'evil' part and receivers are just spare parts. And if the Citizen wants to go through the hassle of keeping their OWN 102mm barrel (with the original serial number in place) in the vault, why not? Point is, that 102mm barrel is already registered to its legitimate owner who is licensed to have it (if IT is the prohibited device).... or it's just a spare part in the junk bin. They can't have it both ways, at least, not without a complete dictatorship.
I really hope that we haven't descended to that level yet.
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Indignation does not change the law, and a change in the law is about the only remedy.
If you wish to detach the barrel from your Luger, and keep it, you are perfectly free to do so. The barrel is perfectly legal as long as it is in association with a registered firearm.
It is when the registered firearm gets rebarrelled and reclassified as restricted that the fun starts, and the detached, short barrel becomes an orphan.
About the best you can hope for is that your property will not be forfeit without application of law.
Anyone interested in trying to purchase a ######## Mk. II could have a look at:
w ww.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=169004413.
It has been listed and relisted for months. Our very own Czechitout reports that he owned this very gun at one time; he advertised it, and sold it through the CGN EE.
If you wish to detach the barrel from your Luger, and keep it, you are perfectly free to do so. The barrel is perfectly legal as long as it is in association with a registered firearm.
It is when the registered firearm gets rebarrelled and reclassified as restricted that the fun starts, and the detached, short barrel becomes an orphan.
About the best you can hope for is that your property will not be forfeit without application of law.
Anyone interested in trying to purchase a ######## Mk. II could have a look at:
w ww.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=169004413.
It has been listed and relisted for months. Our very own Czechitout reports that he owned this very gun at one time; he advertised it, and sold it through the CGN EE.
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