Sten Guns

Maybe I'll try for Inglis high power mags. Seems like they have a decent round capacity to them.
I've read somewhere that guys were using the sterling mags in stens, by making a stop for the mags. Think it was in Laidlers sten book. Don't forget this bolt is for semi auto operation, and is lacking the feed horns of the normal sten bolt.
One way or another, I'll make something work.
 
If the "bad" parts are ...

If the F/A is the part that bears the serial number, making a mag housing from tubing would lead to a part thet NEVER was a F/A in the first place, used on a SAS3 which is NOT a Sten but a close resemblance copy TOTALLY re-designed , then the only big trouble would be to make a trigger housing from "blank" without a serial number of course. THEN, one might have a SAS3 tube with a serial number on it, your choice, if it doesn't have one already. No one could that you built parts for a F/A as they are for a totaly different "animal" and NOT meant to go on an original Sten.

Hope my idea stands. If anyone has better ideas, please let us know so we canadians too can own a simili StenMk3 as our american neibourghs do. Just don't forget that Uzi barrels are available on a 19 inches size. Personaly I'd make a fake silencer to fit over the barrel so that it would look more natural.

J. Savoie
 
stencollector, If I follow well, by building a mag housing AND a trigger housing myself, serializing them, I might be able to register a 19 inches barrel StenMk3 from a parts kit as a semiauto rifle. Am I right? Being into restoring antique cars, I am used to building parts from scratch already and I know this is quite doable. I'd like your opinion on this one please.

J. Savoie
 
If I follow well, by building a mag housing AND a trigger housing myself, serializing them, I might be able to register a 19 inches barrel StenMk3 from a parts kit as a semiauto rifle.
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The mk3 uses a welded in position mag housing, as I'm sure you know. My intention, once I get an answer back from the CFC, is to make an entirely new component to replace the "deemed prohibited" item. I'll make the trigger mechanism so it won't take any sten parts. If it's the mk2 mag housing at fault, I'll make changes to it's design as well, possibly using a sterling style mag release catch,
The reason I'll make the components non-interchangeable with a regular sten is so that I'm not building a prohibited frame. Not that I believe a trigger housing is a frame, or that a mag housing is a frame, but if they do, I don't feel like spending $10K to challenge it.
So, my layman opinion, and I'd like you to know I'm a retired military mechanic, and not any type of a lawyer, is that if you build from scratch an exact copy of the mag housing or trigger mechanism, and they decide that one of those is the heart (registered portion) of a prohibited gun, then you have likely made a prohibited gun. On the other hand, they could still come back and tell me that the SAS3 (modified to mk2) is OK as is.
Also, if you are merely going to make a mk3 parts kit into a semi-auto open bolt gun using the origional size tube and origional bolt system, you are making a gun that lends itself to easily be made full auto in a short period of time. This, too, is likely going to cost you a hunk of change to prove otherwise.
 
I'll make the trigger mechanism so it won't take any sten parts. If it's the mk2 mag housing at fault, I'll make changes to it's design as well, possibly using a sterling style mag release catch. quote]

Well, I think you are the best here to think those changes. 8) So, when you get it over with, I'd feel honored if you shared your work with us. I'm a WWII firearms collector and I'd LOVE to have a SAS3 to get to the range and have fun with instead of having only a StenMk2 that is a dust collector in my safe together with some maybe too complicated weapons to make into semiauto-only as the SAS3 (Parts kits for a PPSh41 are probably not cheap anyway and with a 19 inches barrel so it would not be restricted, it would look weird).

As you must have seen on the http://sports.groups.yahoo.com/group/STENS/ photos section, adding a fake silencer adds style to the SAS3. This is the way I'd make mine if we ever can get the green light.

Your experience will be ours. :wink:


J. Savoie
 
Maybe I'll try for Inglis high power mags. Seems like they have a decent round capacity to them.
I've read somewhere that guys were using the sterling mags in stens, by making a stop for the mags. Think it was in Laidlers sten book. Don't forget this bolt is for semi auto operation, and is lacking the feed horns of the normal sten bolt.
One way or another, I'll make something work.
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As there was a debate about pistol mags used in a rifle (I think it was the case with the CX4), the law says that the mag capacity goes with the firearm that it was intendedly built for. So, as the High Power can have more than 5 rounds in it, it would NOT have to be pinned to 5 as it was NOT originally built for anything else than the Browning Inglis High Power.

Cool, isn't it? By forcing Stencollector to modify the mag housing, they might just have opened a door for a better capacity mag than the 5 rounds pinned Sten or Lanchester mags. :D

Still have to find a way to modify the trigger housing though, juste to be on the safe side. UNLESS Stencollector could finally have his Sten registered!
Mine would have a 19 inches Uzi barrel so it would NOT be restricted (with a FAKE silencer, this would make a decent looking non restricted Mk3 !)

J. Savoie
 
Kosher magwell. My only concern is that it isn't ugly enough :).
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I love STEN chat....it's so deliciously confuseing. Too bad too...STENS are cool.

Though if it's ever possible to get one non-prohib, I'd make a mark III with a 18.5" bbl. If you made the reciver tube longer it might look.....ok...

Some one photoshop up a MKIII with an extended reciver tube!!!:D
 
J. Savoie said:
A few modifications and you'd have a nice lookin' Sterling look-a-like!

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J. Savoie
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They do that in the States. Apparently registered tubes for Stens are commonly available and they are used as the base for building legal Sterling look-alikes.

They call them "Stenlings"!
 
And our own Gov. won't even allow us to build a Sten look-a-like as it would use the original (or a copy of, which the FCF won't allo either) mag housing and trigger housing. Those 2 parts bear the serial numbers and RCMP says the mag housing IS the " real thing, the firearms in itself, NOT the receiver. The CFC says the trigger housing is the "mean part". And both of them agree as to say that "Once a machinegun, always a machinegun" and that no new C/A can be built from those serialized parts. It is stupid but we don't have much choice but to comply. :mad:

What's worse is that the way americans build their Sten look-a-like is a totally new design that can NOT use parts from an automatic, modified or not.

I'd give away my dear PPSH41 just to have the legal right to build myself one of those with a 19inches barrel so it would be unrestricted.

Well, maybe I won't have to depart of my PPSh if I'm lucky. Stencollector is trying to have his version of the Sten Mk2 registered as a restricted only. If he succeeds, I'll take the plunge too! I don't care if it costs up to 800$ for a Mk3 (yes the ugliest Sten) just to have a chance to shoot it almost anywhere! :D

Oh ! Ljungman ! Just a fake silencer on the Mk3 and it would look terrific with a legal length barrel. ;-)

J. Savoie
 
All this is funny. I bought my Sten kit from CANADA many years ago with the tube chopped but the section with the ejector was there. The arse end is now a section of Midas Muffler exhaust pipe. AND it IS full auto. (did this back when you could submit the form and assemble one):D

Not possible anymore.
 
stencollector said:
Don't forget that the CFC now views a C/A as a automatic firearm, now that they are using the CC definition that once a FA, always a F/A.

Dewats are a whole nuther minefield. If it's in the US, a Cdn version of a dewat cannot have it's origional receiver, or else it is a machine gun. Their dewat has to have a solid receiver. That gun here would be a replica (prohibited of course) and not allowed normal import. OUrs has to have the origional receiver.
Funny thing with dewats in the US, if it was registered during the 68 amnesty, it's now worth some coin because it can be repaired back to firing again. If it wasn't registered, then it is subject to seizure, and possible prosecution.

Importing dewats from other countries is still possible, but one mistake or shortcoming on the deactivation and you lose the shipment.
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If a CA is now considered by CFC to be an FA, does that mean that I can demand from CFC to have the appropriate 12.x designation added to my PAL?
 
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If a CA is now considered by CFC to be an FA, does that mean that I can demand from CFC to have the appropriate 12.x designation added to my PAL?
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If it were possible that being grandfathered with C/A would give us a chance to get the F/A class too, I'm in ! :D



J. Savoie
 
Rule 303 said:
If a CA is now considered by CFC to be an FA, does that mean that I can demand from CFC to have the appropriate 12.x designation added to my PAL?
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Well, that was only for the control of SAPs back before they decided not to issue them at all to go to the range. They were on thin ice with that interpretation, and time will tell about this interpretation.

I'd rather see both interpretations go out the window, and things return to like they were. It was nice to see some of the prohib stuff on the range. I'd love to see another full auto shoot at Wolverine's.
 
stencollector I was wondering: If you have to modify the mag housing, do you think it would be somewhat easy to make one to use Suomi stick mags? At least, if it were possible, regarding the possibility that someday standard capacity mags would be once again allowed, you could get mags almost the same capacity as normal Sten mags. Just an idea ...
 
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