Why not make an entirely now "body" for the gun ? The mag housing is just sheet metal, not <too> hard to work with, the "body" is a piece of pipe, and a mag well could reasonable be constructed out of either sheet metal, or even a piece of square tubing for that matter, just put in a <tiny> sliver of metal at the far end of the newly contructed mag well so "original" sten mags wouldn't fit without modification (cut the back end of one feed lips by one mm or 2 so it wouldn't cath on the above mentioned sliver). Then make a new selector that doesn't have the FA position, and is again maybe a fraction of a mm smaller so an original wouldn't fit. There you go, a sten that uses <some> original innards but all the "offending" parts are now newly manufactured and don't fit the original. Think of it as an AR that doesn't have, and can't have without modification, the auto sear installed, while using (or being compatible with) all the other bits. It <should> pass inspection, as you've now complied with all the requested requirements.
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stencollector
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Well, a check with the CFC shows my project gun to still be in red tape limbo. The mag housing is still the offending part, and to make it even worse, the RCMP techs are now claiming an individual must have a manufacturing liscence to make a firearm.
I can work around the first part, but I don't think I am about to pay $800 or $1200 or whatever it is now for a manufacturing liscence. I am still waiting to see.
I need to find the regina vs rogan case (regarding a C/A mkV sten receiver). Does anyone know where to find it?
I can work around the first part, but I don't think I am about to pay $800 or $1200 or whatever it is now for a manufacturing liscence. I am still waiting to see.
I need to find the regina vs rogan case (regarding a C/A mkV sten receiver). Does anyone know where to find it?
stencollector said:
Hummmm ... If this is true, there MUST be a written law on it. If not, they are only trying to F**K with us. As I said in my last message, NFA might just be of help finding this out too. CSSA ...? I don't know.
J. Savoie
Nope you can't ! RCMP has is that the mag well is "once a machinegun, always a machinegun" this is so NO other C/A can be made (or imported as I understand it). One would have to import a Semi Auto Sten from the US being sure that the mag well is modified. Then, once the mag well is modified, what mags would you use? Anyway. Whatever the modifications , anything you want done on these SAS will make the prices jump accordingly. Are you REALLY ready to pay more than a thousand bucks for a restricted (why not ask for a 19 inches Uzi to make it an unrestricted "rifle"?) without even knowing if the modifications will be accepted by the RCMP? I'm not.claven2 said:
However, unless stencollector comes with another way around the problem that we CAN NOT make a receiver without a manufacturing license, I'd have to settle for a 80% done MODIFIED receiver that would be finished by someone with a license if the price is not too high (simply putting the final folding and welding on one side of the MODIFIED mag well would be enough to have it registered and THEN we might just have the ticket to get a complete rifle for my part, a restricted firearm for yours.
My personal idea of the modification on the receiver/mag well is to make a lump from inside out on the mag well (which would be 1/4" longer than the original) where the mag "stoppers" would ride in so it still stops where it should. Using original mags this way would look more "original". You might wonder how a 19 inches barrel would not look weird.
My answer: a fake silencer ! J. Savoie
Stencollector; If the authorities expect that a $1200. fee for a manufacturing license will stop you from making a semi Sten I would be tempted to buy a "Stencollector" Semi Sten to help prove them wrong.
They may end up turning you into a real manufacturer by forcing you to do a run (in order to spread the cost of the license) rather than just making one for yourself.
They may end up turning you into a real manufacturer by forcing you to do a run (in order to spread the cost of the license) rather than just making one for yourself.
Besides of the 1200$ fee, I wonder if it is that hard to get that manufacturing license ... If not, why wouldn't I apply for one and make myself and my older son a Semi Auto Sten even open bolt? Open bolt or closed bolt is not even the problem here ! So I wonder if I'd go the easy way with an open bolt, or the more complicated and safer way with a closed bolt.
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leftent said:Stencollector; If the authorities expect that a $1200. fee for a manufacturing license will stop you from making a semi Sten I would be tempted to buy a "Stencollector" Semi Sten to help prove them wrong.
They may end up turning you into a real manufacturer by forcing you to do a run (in order to spread the cost of the license) rather than just making one for yourself.
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......leftent said:Stencollector; If the authorities expect that a $1200. fee for a manufacturing license will stop you from making a semi Sten I would be tempted to buy a "Stencollector" Semi Sten to help prove them wrong.
They may end up turning you into a real manufacturer by forcing you to do a run (in order to spread the cost of the license) rather than just making one for yourself.
If Stencollector could manufacture unrestricted semi auto stens, I'd be interested in one. To help defray the licence costs of course. If restricted not interested though.
stencollector
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I've heard strong rumour that a Cdn gunsmith company wants to start producing the semi-auto stens (the number I heard was 20) but they have run into the same roadblock about the magwell housing.
stencollector What do you think of this?
My personal idea of the modification on the receiver/mag well is to make a lump from inside out on the mag well (which would be 1/4" longer than the original) where the mag "stoppers" would ride in so it still stops where it should. Using original mags this way would look more "original". You might wonder how a 19 inches barrel would not look weird. My answer: a fake silencer !
J. Savoie
My personal idea of the modification on the receiver/mag well is to make a lump from inside out on the mag well (which would be 1/4" longer than the original) where the mag "stoppers" would ride in so it still stops where it should. Using original mags this way would look more "original". You might wonder how a 19 inches barrel would not look weird. My answer: a fake silencer !
J. Savoie
J. Savoie said:
It has to be closed bolt btw. The Americans have required that, otherwise too easy to make it rattle. They're using common M16 firing pins with a new bolt.
http://www.semiautosten.com/kits/bolt.JPG
They've always considered the mag housing the gun, not likely to change. Thus, a whole new mag housing would have to be fabricated, and for Canadian purposes with our twisted, screwy mag laws, it should fit a common pistol magazine. Forget the 5 round unreliable Sten mags.
A 19" barrel with fake suppressor would be cool. It could just be a solid aluminum jacket around the barrel, that is integral with the barrel nut.
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