Sten in 7.62 x 25mm
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Is it legal to do that ?
From Armalitics .ca
Summary
Firearm Reference Number (FRN): 129614
Valid As Of Date: 2020-09-14
Manufacturer: ########
Level: Manufacturer Specifications and Commercial Customization
Country of Manufacturer: CANADA
Serial Numbering: See Note
Calibre, Shots and Barrel Length
FRN
Calibre
Shots
Barrel (mm)
Class
Legal Authority
Barrel Type Code
129614 - 1
9MM LUGER
5
200
Restricted
CC 84(1) "restricted firearm" para. (b)
129614 - 2
9MM LUGER
5
475
Non-Restricted
CC 2 "firearm"
Notes
Make
"########" was observed marked on the upper surface of the magazine housing.
Model
"STEN MK II" was observed marked on the upper surface of the magazine housing.
"CANADA" was observed marked on the magazine housing.
introduced in 2009.
"STEN MARK 2" submachine gun design was distinguished by its all-metal welded construction and by a short barrel that could be replaced by pulling out a lockingratchet and unscrewing the barrel nut (attached to the ventilated barrel shroud); and the magazine housing could be rotated about the receiver axis to reduce the width of the firearm when carried.
######## Sten Mk II closely resembles a Sten MARK 2 submachine gun and is capable of accepting parts from an original full-automatic Sten gun.
design features observed: refurbished barrel, barrel shroud and barrel nut; newly manufactured magazine housing assembly; newly manufactured tube assembly withthe sear cut-out width reduced; re-manufactured breech block/bolt assembly with non-removable cocking handle and rear spigot extension; access holes between the tube assembly and trigger group casing are welded closed; selector is welded to the trigger group casing in the fire position; trigger mechanism cover drain hole is weldedclosed and assembled with no removable hardware; refurbished removable butt assembly; fixed sights; blued finish.
Manufacturer
"########" was observed marked on the upper surface of the magazine housing.
Action
advanced primer ignition, blowback operated.
Shots
detachable box magazine.
accepts all Sten submachine gun magazines.
Serial Number
serial number was observed marked on the magazine housing upper surface.
serial number rationalization is unknown.
observed serial number consisted of two letters "SS" prefix and five numbers.
observed serial number consisted of two letters "SS" prefix and seven numbers and a two letter "CA" suffix.
serial number was marked with a tool similar to an electric pencil and is very shallow.
The conversion was done by the SFSS. Yes, it is legal for them to do that. The SCoC Hasselwander decision determined that a gun that could be easily converted to full auto is full auto for legal purposes. The video was supplied to the builder to demonstrate why the submitted firearm was classified as prohibited.
The Armalytics FRT entry that you quoted was for a later version, reworked to prevent conversion as demonstrated in the video. The SFSS was working with the maker to assist him in developing a design that would pass muster.
The firearm in the FRT entry that you quoted is classified as restricted, based on barrel length. With a barrel over 18 1/2" long, the firearm would be non-restricted.
The Armalytics FRT entry that you quoted was for a later version, reworked to prevent conversion as demonstrated in the video. The SFSS was working with the maker to assist him in developing a design that would pass muster.
The firearm in the FRT entry that you quoted is classified as restricted, based on barrel length. With a barrel over 18 1/2" long, the firearm would be non-restricted.
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Official government agencies, acting in their official capacity, are not subject to the same restrictions which apply to individuals.
Consider, for example, all the stuff that the CF uses that you are not allowed to have.
The SFSS tech, puttering about in his home workshop with his personal property, is subject to the same laws as everyone else. At work, it is a different story.
The alteration made to permit full auto fire was a peanut level alteration, that would take less than 5 minutes, starting with an assembled semi auto, and finishing with the functional full auto.
Here is a story about working at home... Turpin, one of the primary designers of the Sten, worked up the drawings for the fundamental design of the mechanism on his kitchen table in December 1941.
Consider, for example, all the stuff that the CF uses that you are not allowed to have.
The SFSS tech, puttering about in his home workshop with his personal property, is subject to the same laws as everyone else. At work, it is a different story.
The alteration made to permit full auto fire was a peanut level alteration, that would take less than 5 minutes, starting with an assembled semi auto, and finishing with the functional full auto.
Here is a story about working at home... Turpin, one of the primary designers of the Sten, worked up the drawings for the fundamental design of the mechanism on his kitchen table in December 1941.
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various government agencies can legally own and use 'silencers' so having a Made in Canada option id a good thing.
There are guys here that do just that and sell to everyone from animal control to CF. There is a market.
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The difference is that the people doing it legally will have a Firearms Business License, which costs several thousand dollars a year, plus additional inspection and other requirements that are applied to those businesses.
I was once offered a position with the Suppressor manufacturer, but declined for various reasons at the time.
MAR Star is allowed to have machine guns - they cannot sell them to individuals though. Their reference collection is rather large from what I can tell, and from what I learned over a lunch with Johnone many years ago.
The police, particularly the firearms labs, operate within the law, as agents of the government, in investigating and testing firearms.
Military suppliers (ie Colt Canada or Rheinmetall) will have a Firearms Business License.
Military personnel are exempt from the provisions of the Firearms Act in the course of their military duties, however, they DO fall under the National Defense Act, so they're not above the law either, they're under a different portion of the law.
I was once offered a position with the Suppressor manufacturer, but declined for various reasons at the time.
MAR Star is allowed to have machine guns - they cannot sell them to individuals though. Their reference collection is rather large from what I can tell, and from what I learned over a lunch with Johnone many years ago.
The police, particularly the firearms labs, operate within the law, as agents of the government, in investigating and testing firearms.
Military suppliers (ie Colt Canada or Rheinmetall) will have a Firearms Business License.
Military personnel are exempt from the provisions of the Firearms Act in the course of their military duties, however, they DO fall under the National Defense Act, so they're not above the law either, they're under a different portion of the law.
