Stens

Spencer might be able to get a design approved. His latest should be in the hands of the RCMP in Ottawa now.
If it can be easily converted, it is not going to be approved. If his latest version is approved, this will not affect the prohibited status of all his earlier guns. This is going to remain, and they will have to be rebuilt.

His court appearance had nothing to do with this, he did not obtain a court order to reverse the prohibited classification.
He did get the RCMP to agree to examine his latest design - but they offered to do that when they returned his first submission as prohibited. Note that they did not confiscate his guns, they gave him the opportunity to resubmit.

If his design is accepted, he will no doubt rework all the guns he has sold, so that they can be reclassified as restricted.
If his design is rejected, and his customers are stuck with prohibited firearms, he will no doubt reimburse them.

If anyone is considering making an open bolt Sten type gun, the following were NOT be accepted as design modifications for non-prohibited status:
Full width bent on the bolt; selector welded in the central position; narrow disconnector slot in bottom of casing; trigger mechanism cover fixed in place.
A more elaborate redesign could include: all of the above, plus: bolt made non-removable; second disconnect function added to the trigger mechanism so the disconnect action is independent of the bolt; blocking the drainhole in the trigger mechanism cover; perhaps using a reduced diameter bolt. This design has a better chance of being accepted.

If anyone is considering making this sort of gun, it would be a good idea to work with the RCMP from the very beginning of the project. Could avoid a lot of problems down the road.

Spencer will surely announce the results of the RCMP review on his website. He will also keep his customers informed.
 
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You have announced that you have one of Spencer's Stens. These are classed as prohibited firearms. IF his redesign is approved, his earlier guns could be reworked to that standard. But until the reclassification takes place, and the guns are modified, they are prohibited, and not grandfathered.
 
Spencer might be able to get a design approved. His latest should be in the hands of the RCMP in Ottawa now.
If it can be easily converted, it is not going to be approved. If his latest version is approved, this will not affect the prohibited status of all his earlier guns. This is going to remain, and they will have to be rebuilt.

His court appearance had nothing to do with this, he did not obtain a court order to reverse the prohibited classification.
He did get the RCMP to agree to examine his latest design - but they offered to do that when they returned his first submission as prohibited. Note that they did not confiscate his guns, they gave him the opportunity to resubmit.

If his design is accepted, he will no doubt rework all the guns he has sold, so that they can be reclassified as restricted.
If his design is rejected, and his customers are stuck with prohibited firearms, he will no doubt reimburse them.

If anyone is considering making an open bolt Sten type gun, the following were NOT be accepted as design modifications for non-prohibited status:
Full width bent on the bolt; selector welded in the central position; narrow disconnector slot in bottom of casing; trigger mechanism cover fixed in place.
A more elaborate redesign could include: all of the above, plus: bolt made non-removable; second disconnect function added to the trigger mechanism so the disconnect action is independent of the bolt; blocking the drainhole in the trigger mechanism cover; perhaps using a reduced diameter bolt. This design has a better chance of being accepted.

If anyone is considering making this sort of gun, it would be a good idea to work with the RCMP from the very beginning of the project. Could avoid a lot of problems down the road.

Spencer will surely announce the results of the RCMP review on his website. He will also keep his customers informed.



The RCMP can not return a firearm they have classified as prohibited to a person who does not possess a prohibited license. They have to return a gun they have classified as prohibited if court action is taken to challenge their decision, as the decision is then becomes invalid until ruled otherwise by the court. Spencer took them to court but agreed to drop his challenge when the CFC decided to play ball. I think it was a wise move by Spencer and the CFC.

This is Spencers reply to a post of yours on Milsurps

"Today's certainly is the day, well it was yesterday at least.

Things got off to an awkward start when I had to object to the crowns witnesses being in court before they had been called to give evidence.

After a while when things eventually started to get going and I revealed what I intended to show in court the judge asked me if I would be willing to have a meeting with the firarms people. I said that I had been trying to talk to them for the past six months but that I had continally been stonewalled, and the only reason we were all in court today was because they would not speak with me. He asked if I would meet with them now if he adjourned the hearing. I stated that I would like nothing better and the hearing was adjourned.

I was able to have a very productive conversation with representatives from the FRT group and the CFR. The end result being that we were able to able to come to a mutually acceptable agreement. I then officially withdrew my application.


What really ****es me off is that this could have been sorted out six months ago with a simple telephone call. What a waste of everyones time.
 
You have announced that you have one of Spencer's Stens. These are classed as prohibited firearms. IF his redesign is approved, his earlier guns could be reworked to that standard. But until the reclassification takes place, and the guns are modified, they are prohibited, and not grandfathered.


That was then not now, time to move on.
 
The RCMP have worked with Spencer and not confiscated his guns. They are allowing him the opportunity to rework his design. Let's hope his redesign is approved. There is certainly the interest in these guns.

At present, all Stens, both original and newly made are classified as prohibited, with the single exception of the SAS.

If you do in fact have a Spencer Sten, it is a non-grandfathered prohibited firearm. There is the possibility that it could be brought into compliance, if Spencer's rework is accepted. Until this happens you might want to consider your situation.

Note that in my previous post that you quoted, there is more information about open bolt design possibilities in that single post than Spencer has ever shared.
 
Note that in my previous post that you quoted, there is more information about open bolt design possibilities in that single post than Spencer has ever shared.

He can not share anything here as he has been banned. Details and pictures of his modifications can be found on Milsurps as you well know.
 
Never stopped him before.;)

Think about the "how to" threads posted by others, here and elsewhere. Specific, detailed, full of information really useful to anyone who wanted to attempt a project. Not only were technical details described completely, so was the legal procedure.
Spencer's posts were vague, evasive and unhelpful. Given the trainwreck of all his guns - Stens and Suomi - being classified as prohibited, perhaps it is a good thing that he did not give specific advice on dealing with the RCMP.

I do hope that his latest design is accepted. I think that there is a good chance that it will be. He has made a real attempt to make a conversion resistant open bolt design, and that is a challenge.
 
######## MkII Officially approved for restricted classification

IMG_0945_MKII_T_Stock_W_SlingClUp.jpg
 
Where?

Well, that's one version....:rolleyes:
The story will probably get better every time Spencer tells it.

If you want one of Spencer's guns, keep an eye on his website. Once he has an approved version available for transfer, he will announce it.
Or, contact the RCMP in Ottawa, to determine if there is a valid FRT number for his design.

What website???

He can not share anything here as he has been banned. Details and pictures of his modifications can be found on Milsurps as you well know.

Where?

######## MkII Officially approved for restricted classification

IMG_0945_MKII_T_Stock_W_SlingClUp.jpg

Where can we find this?
 
was his gun submitted and inspected by the RCMP weapons techs? if so approval is good


if not...........

I hope it was submitted and approved
 
http: //www.smginternational.net/Sten%20Models.html Hope this helps! I want the Rotary sten sooooo bad. I contacted him, and they use PPSH 41 drums, and said that to convert them to 7.62x25, all you need is a 7.62x25 barrel. As well, currently they are only a prototype.
 
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