Steps to Purchasing Via CGN Equipment Exchange?

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Hello CGN,

I was wondering if a regular Buyer/Seller on the CGN Equipment Exchange and walk me through the best practices ie. steps, in the order of a transaction with a fellow gun nut?

Something like the following is what I am thinking would be best:
-Best to start a conversation via phone call? Or keep it all in the conversation?
-PAL identification/proof?
-ETF transfer?
-Transfer forms?
-Ship via courier labeled as "sporting goods"? insured package and requiring a signature?

Any advice from the regulars would be appreciated to help facilitate a smooth transaction between two new CGN members.

Thanks for your time!
 
Hello CGN,

I was wondering if a regular Buyer/Seller on the CGN Equipment Exchange and walk me through the best practices ie. steps, in the order of a transaction with a fellow gun nut?

Something like the following is what I am thinking would be best:
-Best to start a conversation via phone call? Or keep it all in the conversation?
-PAL identification/proof?
-ETF transfer?
-Transfer forms?
-Ship via courier labeled as "sporting goods"? insured package and requiring a signature?

Any advice from the regulars would be appreciated to help facilitate a smooth transaction between two new CGN members.

Thanks for your time!
Phone calls ?,
Not me, I get lousy cell reception where I live, text or email or PM only.

Lots out there with hearing issues, social anxiety, don't like small talk etc
 
Phone calls ?,
Not me, I get lousy cell reception where I live, text or email or PM only.

Lots out there with hearing issues, social anxiety, don't like small talk etc
FatCatsDad,
Those are good points! Any advise on order of operations for the rest of the sale. Ie send etf first and hope that they follow through with the sale? Or do you get some ID kind of like a bill of sale for a car sale?

Thanks
 
You are probably going to have to pay before the thing is shipped. The owner isn't likely going to mail the gun without being paid.
Establish with whom you are dealing. Make sure both parties agree on terms and conditions. CFP confirmation of your PAL is going to be required.
Did you know that there are folks here who have sent off EMT payment without knowing the name, address, phone number of the seller. Don't do that. I prefer paying by money order because an actual land location address is necessary.
A member's feedback rating is displayed. Have a good look at the feedbacks.
 
You are probably going to have to pay before the thing is shipped. The owner isn't likely going to mail the gun without being paid.
Establish with whom you are dealing. Make sure both parties agree on terms and conditions. CFP confirmation of your PAL is going to be required.
Did you know that there are folks here who have sent off EMT payment without knowing the name, address, phone number of the seller. Don't do that. I prefer paying by money order because an actual land location address is necessary.
A member's feedback rating is displayed. Have a good look at the feedbacks.
tiriaq,
Thanks for the fast reply. Having a money order is a good idea for the physical address to be known and seems like a secure way to send money as well. I am comfortable sending the money first for sure as I would want it that way as well if I was selling too.
For Verification of my PAL are people using the online verification through the RCMP website? or getting the name and PAL number of the buyer and calling the CFP to verify it over the phone with an agent?
Shipping during the strike.... what are the steps to ship via purolator vs canada post?

Thanks again for all the help! for sure making the muddy waters a bit more clear! Over time I am sure I will get a good handle of the normal ways as I buy and sell more but just starting out with online buy/sell I am pretty green!
 
Hello CGN,

I was wondering if a regular Buyer/Seller on the CGN Equipment Exchange and walk me through the best practices ie. steps, in the order of a transaction with a fellow gun nut?

Something like the following is what I am thinking would be best:
-Best to start a conversation via phone call? Or keep it all in the conversation?
-PAL identification/proof?
-ETF transfer?
-Transfer forms?
-Ship via courier labeled as "sporting goods"? insured package and requiring a signature?

Any advice from the regulars would be appreciated to help facilitate a smooth transaction between two new CGN members.

Thanks for your time!
The process is relatively simple with some trust tossed in.

I strongly advise NOT to purchase anything until the Canada Post Strike is over.

Back to your topic/request before buying anything get a phone number and speak to the seller or buyer depending on the flavor of the day .

This way one can articulate preferences and expectations.

We all started with Zero Trader Rating and even then some of us are easier to deal with than others.

No slags intended , just expectations are sometimes set higher than necessary.

Welcome to CGN.

Rob
 
The process is relatively simple with some trust tossed in.

I strongly advise NOT to purchase anything until the Canada Post Strike is over.

Back to your topic/request before buying anything get a phone number and speak to the seller or buyer depending on the flavor of the day .

This way one can articulate preferences and expectations.

We all started with Zero Trader Rating and even then some of us are easier to deal with than others.

No slags intended , just expectations are sometimes set higher than necessary.

Welcome to CGN.

Rob
Thanks Rob,

Thats some great information. I will try to go that route. Easy to get mixed communication via PM sometimes.

I was looking into making a small business account with Canada Post without actually having a business, seems like its easy to do an I just put my name as the "Business" As on their website the recommend to ship firearms regular post, I found that I was not able to get the value to insurance unless we were going to be shipping with Xpress Post. Also, noticed the check boxes to have a signature and insurance. Looks like the business account is required mostly so you can print off a pre paid label and drop the package off in inconspicuous packaging (locked in a case and covered in cardboard) and ready to ship.

Would leaving a deposit with the seller seem reasonable to hold the item until the strike is over and then continue the sale after that time?


I am probably more comfortable buying and selling online, but I am also wanting to make if comfortable for the seller as well.

Marc
 

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Hello CGN,

I was wondering if a regular Buyer/Seller on the CGN Equipment Exchange and walk me through the best practices ie. steps, in the order of a transaction with a fellow gun nut?

Something like the following is what I am thinking would be best:
-Best to start a conversation via phone call? Or keep it all in the conversation?
-PAL identification/proof?
-ETF transfer?
-Transfer forms?
-Ship via courier labeled as "sporting goods"? insured package and requiring a signature?

Any advice from the regulars would be appreciated to help facilitate a smooth transaction between two new CGN members.

Thanks for your time!
I think I have bought and sold a few items on CGN over the years. I have received phone calls from potential buyers, but have never initiated one as the buyer - as mentioned above, I am one of those "deaf as a post" type people - as a result, I MUCH prefer to communicate via email or text message, versus voice phone call - for various reasons. I suspect for any Internet purchase from a non-retail entity, there is going to be some "trust" required - perhaps why I find the feedback system on CGN to be so useful - although I have bought and sold to/from people on their very first transaction - someone had to do so for my first purchase / first sale on CGN.

For the past several years, I do not ship and do not expect an item purchased by me to be shipped, until it is paid for - although, in some cases, the item has been put in the mail, before payment is received. I have sent Money Orders - paid for them, plus paid for the registered letter they were mailed in - the Seller could have received that money if they would have accepted EMT payment, but I guess Canada Post and Royal Bank needed their piece of the pie, more than the seller did. There is a guy in this province that I have sold to several times - he pays by mailing his personal cheque - one of the guys that I send the item, before I receive the letter from him. Most people do not rate that, from me. I have also mailed cash bills in a letter to one buyer - it worked, that time.

PAL - is odd - some will act as if it is most private thing in the world - others just do not care. I have received ammo and firearms on face-to-face deals where I forgot to show and Seller forgot to ask to see my PAL. My PAL has been verified circa 20 times with RCMP Firearms Centre - sort of thought that was what I paid for when I renewed it - apparently not - not really "useful" for much, until Seller has "verified it". I am sure someone is happy about how that system works. I am one of those dudes with guns here that I am sure I owned before gov't paper was even in play - before PAL, before FAC. But that was then; this is now.

When purchasing a firearm, I do NOT send payment until the private Seller tells me that the Seller is okay with my PAL. So that means they get my PAL information, to "verify", long before they receive money from me.

As per our local head honcho at Post Office - is the Post Office's view that the contents of the parcel belong to the Sender, until they deliver it to the Receiver. As a result, there is NO WAY for a parcel Receiver to get insurance coverage on a package. They will not allow the Receiver to buy insurance coverage on someone else's goods. The Canada Post insurance is paid out to their customer - the person that bought the insurance coverage and has the receipt - not to the parcel Receiver. You may have paid for the item and think it is yours - that is not how they view the matter - according to her. A Buyer might send extra money to a Seller to pay for "insurance" premiums - that Sender may or may not actually buy insurance coverage - you, the Receiver, will never know - you will get NOTHING from Canada Post to indicate whether the parcel was insured or not. The Sender might tell you that it is insured, but that is what the parcel Sender told to the parcel Receiver - Canada Post documentation to the Parcel Receiver was not involved, at all. For several years, I have NOT paid for insurance on items that I buy (receive) - on items that I sell (send), that is between me and the Post Office - the receiver will never know whether it is insured or not. I have sent and received probably over 1,000 pieces of mail over the past 10 years or so - I do not recall even one that did not eventually show up where addressed to - two recent instances (that I sent, with correct address) where it got delivered to next door house, but both recipients eventually got them - some arrived a day or two late, but all got where they were going to - even one item eventually arrived, where the person, who had just moved, gave me a not existing house number to mail to.

You will run into many "making it up" "wanna be helpful" types that insist on PAL and Driver Licence - "to confirm shipping address" - B.S.! Maybe in cities - in Canada, a Driver licence usually shows the house location - a land location, many of which are NOT mailing addresses. Many of us have Postal Mailing addresses that are Post Box number, or Rural Route, or we use Canada Post Flex mail address for mail. In Manitoba, for example, is a Provincial Law that DL must show house location - in our case that is NOT a mailing address - is a lot more to Canada than "city".
 
I think I have bought and sold a few items on CGN over the years. I have received phone calls from potential buyers, but have never initiated one as the buyer - as mentioned above, I am one of those "deaf as a post" type people - as a result, I MUCH prefer to communicate via email or text message, versus voice phone call - for various reasons. I suspect for any Internet purchase from a non-retail entity, there is going to be some "trust" required - perhaps why I find the feedback system on CGN to be so useful - although I have bought and sold to/from people on their very first transaction - someone had to do so for my first purchase / first sale on CGN.

For the past several years, I do not ship and do not expect an item purchased by me to be shipped, until it is paid for - although, in some cases, the item has been put in the mail, before payment is received. I have sent Money Orders - paid for them, plus paid for the registered letter they were mailed in - the Seller could have received that money if they would have accepted EMT payment, but I guess Canada Post and Royal Bank needed their piece of the pie, more than the seller did. There is a guy in this province that I have sold to several times - he pays by mailing his personal cheque - one of the guys that I send the item, before I receive the letter from him. Most people do not rate that, from me. I have also mailed cash bills in a letter to one buyer - it worked, that time.

PAL - is odd - some will act as if it is most private thing in the world - others just do not care. I have received ammo and firearms on face-to-face deals where I forgot to show and Seller forgot to ask to see my PAL. My PAL has been verified circa 20 times with RCMP Firearms Centre - sort of thought that was what I paid for when I renewed it - apparently not - not really "useful" for much, until Seller has "verified it". I am sure someone is happy about how that system works. I am one of those dudes with guns here that I am sure I owned before gov't paper was even in play - before PAL, before FAC. But that was then; this is now.

When purchasing a firearm, I do NOT send payment until the private Seller tells me that the Seller is okay with my PAL. So that means they get my PAL information, to "verify", long before they receive money from me.

As per our local head honcho at Post Office - is the Post Office's view that the contents of the parcel belong to the Sender, until they deliver it to the Receiver. As a result, there is NO WAY for a parcel Receiver to get insurance coverage on a package. They will not allow the Receiver to buy insurance coverage on someone else's goods. The Canada Post insurance is paid out to their customer - the person that bought the insurance coverage and has the receipt - not to the parcel Receiver. You may have paid for the item and think it is yours - that is not how they view the matter - according to her. A Buyer might send extra money to a Seller to pay for "insurance" premiums - that Sender may or may not actually buy insurance coverage - you, the Receiver, will never know - you will get NOTHING from Canada Post to indicate whether the parcel was insured or not. The Sender might tell you that it is insured, but that is what the parcel Sender told to the parcel Receiver - Canada Post documentation to the Parcel Receiver was not involved, at all. For several years, I have NOT paid for insurance on items that I buy (receive) - on items that I sell (send), that is between me and the Post Office - the receiver will never know whether it is insured or not. I have sent and received probably over 1,000 pieces of mail over the past 10 years or so - I do not recall even one that did not eventually show up where addressed to - two recent instances (that I sent, with correct address) where it got delivered to next door house, but both recipients eventually got them - some arrived a day or two late, but all got where they were going to - even one item eventually arrived, where the person, who had just moved, gave me a not existing house number to mail to.

You will run into many "making it up" "wanna be helpful" types that insist on PAL and Driver Licence - "to confirm shipping address" - B.S.! Maybe in cities - in Canada, a Driver licence usually shows the house location - a land location, many of which are NOT mailing addresses. Many of us have Postal Mailing addresses that are Post Box number, or Rural Route, or we use Canada Post Flex mail address for mail. In Manitoba, for example, is a Provincial Law that DL must show house location - in our case that is NOT a mailing address - is a lot more to Canada than "city".
Thanks for that great explanation! Lot of good information in there!

I have been finding with all of my recent firearms purchases and family members (in the US) that it can be a really personal question when you start talking about, or should I say, asking questions to learn about fire arms. Understandably so too! Some people are just uncomfortable with firearms or they are self-conscious about what others will think when they find out that own firearms. Personally the sharing information makes it safer for everyone involved. It is a great sport and for someone like my self that loves the details and perfecting a hobby, this particular hobby has been just that, a long process to perfection.

You make a great point about the insurance, how it is for the current owner/shipper. As the buyer does not really have anything to insure until the item is in your possession. With myself being the buyer, it wont really be my decision, but it does help for me to be able to make it more clear or comfortable for the seller to help with first time shipping an item. In the end, it is their decision if they would like to ship an item or not really!

I will have to just wait and see what terms the seller wants to go with for PAL information as well. A video call to show the PAL I think is a great idea instead of a photo. With nothing being restricted in the transaction it should be a pretty run of the mill and only as complicated as you make it at that point. As long as legally there is not any we are going to do that is considered wrong or some stage that will cause consequences. Simply saying doing it the RIGHT way is easier said than done haha.

Marc
 
Thanks for that great explanation! Lot of good information in there!

I have been finding with all of my recent firearms purchases and family members (in the US) that it can be a really personal question when you start talking about, or should I say, asking questions to learn about fire arms. Understandably so too! Some people are just uncomfortable with firearms or they are self-conscious about what others will think when they find out that own firearms. Personally the sharing information makes it safer for everyone involved. It is a great sport and for someone like my self that loves the details and perfecting a hobby, this particular hobby has been just that, a long process to perfection.

You make a great point about the insurance, how it is for the current owner/shipper. As the buyer does not really have anything to insure until the item is in your possession. With myself being the buyer, it wont really be my decision, but it does help for me to be able to make it more clear or comfortable for the seller to help with first time shipping an item. In the end, it is their decision if they would like to ship an item or not really!

I will have to just wait and see what terms the seller wants to go with for PAL information as well. A video call to show the PAL I think is a great idea instead of a photo. With nothing being restricted in the transaction it should be a pretty run of the mill and only as complicated as you make it at that point. As long as legally there is not any we are going to do that is considered wrong or some stage that will cause consequences. Simply saying doing it the RIGHT way is easier said than done haha.

Marc

Many people don't like this but it's based on Bill C-71: https://rcmp.ca/en/firearms/buying-and-selling-transferring-firearms
 
Thanks for that great explanation! Lot of good information in there!

I have been finding with all of my recent firearms purchases and family members (in the US) that it can be a really personal question when you start talking about, or should I say, asking questions to learn about fire arms. Understandably so too! Some people are just uncomfortable with firearms or they are self-conscious about what others will think when they find out that own firearms. Personally the sharing information makes it safer for everyone involved. It is a great sport and for someone like my self that loves the details and perfecting a hobby, this particular hobby has been just that, a long process to perfection.

You make a great point about the insurance, how it is for the current owner/shipper. As the buyer does not really have anything to insure until the item is in your possession. With myself being the buyer, it wont really be my decision, but it does help for me to be able to make it more clear or comfortable for the seller to help with first time shipping an item. In the end, it is their decision if they would like to ship an item or not really!

I will have to just wait and see what terms the seller wants to go with for PAL information as well. A video call to show the PAL I think is a great idea instead of a photo. With nothing being restricted in the transaction it should be a pretty run of the mill and only as complicated as you make it at that point. As long as legally there is not any we are going to do that is considered wrong or some stage that will cause consequences. Simply saying doing it the RIGHT way is easier said than done haha.

Marc
To clarify in your last paragraph - a potential seller does not need a video call or a photo in order to "verify" that a PAL is valid with the Canadian Firearms Centre - there has been many done where I simply send the Seller the required elements of information - as they show on my PAL card - plus the email address for me that the CFC has on file for my account with them. So far, whenever someone has "run" my PAL information, I get an email from CFC asking me to log into their system to get a message to me from them - almost always shows who just "ran" my PAL.
 
To clarify in your last paragraph - a potential seller does not need a video call or a photo in order to "verify" that a PAL is valid with the Canadian Firearms Centre - there has been many done where I simply send the Seller the required elements of information - as they show on my PAL card - plus the email address for me that the CFC has on file for my account with them. So far, whenever someone has "run" my PAL information, I get an email from CFC asking me to log into their system to get a message to me from them - almost always shows who just "ran" my PAL.
Thanks Potashminer,
That helps to clear up the Verification side of things if they are wanting to "run" my PAL information. That is a good way of doing it if the sells wants to cross their "T's". The rules are in place for the honest people I guess. I do not have a problem with it if they want the verification as I have to keep it up to date anyway so check away!
Marc
 
Personally I like to keep the communications thru 1 means. I hate going from PM to email to text, to ring ring. Actually told a person no deal, when my phone rang at 10 pm. After pm turned into email as they wanted more pics, to text me its faster.

Phone ends up being he said she said, unless you record. There can be miscommunication esp like with me being partially deaf and got a speach impediment. In 20 years i never called anyone and done close to 400 deals, 100s of firearms. But thats just me.
 
Personally I like to keep the communications thru 1 means. I hate going from PM to email to text, to ring ring. Actually told a person no deal, when my phone rang at 10 pm. After pm turned into email as they wanted more pics, to text me its faster.

Phone ends up being he said she said, unless you record. There can be miscommunication esp like with me being partially deaf and got a speach impediment. In 20 years i never called anyone and done close to 400 deals, 100s of firearms. But thats just me.
Thats good advice. Glad to hear that you have done that many deals, the group sounds like a bunch of stand up people!

Probably good to keep it to the PM or text if needed. If both parties have a strong internet connection the PM route is probably the best way to do it!
 
I like to switch over to text or email , text preferably as it's pretty much guaranteed instant reply.

Websites can crash or just dissappear so email and text is superior in that regard.

Email is good, but you the risk of being added to junk spam mail.

Shortly after a deal fell apart due to the buyer wanting to renegotiate the price, I found myself flooded with spam and junk mail to the point where the email address was unusable and I abandoned it.
I can't help but think the buyer added my email to some kind of list.
 
I like to switch over to text or email , text preferably as it's pretty much guaranteed instant reply.

Websites can crash or just dissappear so email and text is superior in that regard.

Email is good, but you the risk of being added to junk spam mail.

Shortly after a deal fell apart due to the buyer wanting to renegotiate the price, I found myself flooded with spam and junk mail to the point where the email address was unusable and I abandoned it.
I can't help but think the buyer added my email to some kind of list.
Text doesn't guarantee instant reply. Ive gotten multiple messages before why I never got back to them. But many forget people work, time zones or not everybody is glued to their phones. Or asleep or not feeling well.

My aunt, if you dont respond to her email right away and its non urgent or something stupid. They will call... Did you get my email? Some people are simply impatient.

Then you get the people that dont even say its so in so, or what it is in reference to. So you gotta ask who and what you want?
 
It’s been good to see how everyone’s experience and also their own preferences when regarding a sale via CGN. Being flexible to whatever the seller is wanting to do when I am the buyer seems to be the best route in order to make a smooth transaction happen.

In the end, we all just want to make sure we get the money and the other party gets the item. I guess having some trust and some patience will go a long way with a good track record and getting some good products.

Being a new member without any feedback will hopefully be short lived. I am finding buying used and online to be a great option from buying new at local gun shops for some items. Lots of really good products with lots of life sitting on mine and other peoples shelves that could use a new home. Even if it’s just to keep the consumerism down and waste out of the land fill. Ill be looking for some used reloading equipment soon too as I have been seeing lots up for sale from lack of use. I am sure I’ll have my time when it’s not much use as well…. Until then…. Look forward to trading/buying from CGN.
 
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