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Steyr 1886 ammo , what is its collector value??
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This is for the Mannlicher rifle which was adopted by the Austro-Hungarian Empire. The 8x60R was used in the bolt rifles manufactured on contract for Portugal. This rifle is commonly termed a Kropatschek, the name coming from the developer of the tubular magazine and the greatly-improved loading platform.
The1885 Mannlicher was a Steyr-made straight-pull single-shot chambering an 11mm round. It had rather an unique action with a 2-section bolt with a locking wedge beneath the bolt. Pulling the bolt-handle to the rear allowed this wedge to be cammed upward, following which the bolt moved rearward. Pushing the bolt-handle forward fed and chambered a round, then finishing the stroke cammed the wedge downward into its recess. In some ways, it was much like a BAR action, only upside-down.
The action was altered to use Mannlicher clips in 1886 and a large number of rifles manufactured. The greater part of these were converted to use the 8x50R when it appeared in 1888.
The ammunition used to sell for $4 a hundred, but that was a lot of years ago. Recent prices seem to be about that much per cartridge.
In 1888 they started building the 1888 rifle, identical to a converted 1886 except that it was a new-made rifle. In 1890 smokeless powder was adopted for the 8x50R and the sights regraduated, making the 1888/90.
In 1892 came the rotating-bolthead Mannlicher straight-pull using the same ammunition; the longer Rifle version was adopted as standard in 1895.
These later rifles all used the 8x50R and are the rifles later converted to 8x56R and to 8x57.
Hope this helps.
.
The1885 Mannlicher was a Steyr-made straight-pull single-shot chambering an 11mm round. It had rather an unique action with a 2-section bolt with a locking wedge beneath the bolt. Pulling the bolt-handle to the rear allowed this wedge to be cammed upward, following which the bolt moved rearward. Pushing the bolt-handle forward fed and chambered a round, then finishing the stroke cammed the wedge downward into its recess. In some ways, it was much like a BAR action, only upside-down.
The action was altered to use Mannlicher clips in 1886 and a large number of rifles manufactured. The greater part of these were converted to use the 8x50R when it appeared in 1888.
The ammunition used to sell for $4 a hundred, but that was a lot of years ago. Recent prices seem to be about that much per cartridge.
In 1888 they started building the 1888 rifle, identical to a converted 1886 except that it was a new-made rifle. In 1890 smokeless powder was adopted for the 8x50R and the sights regraduated, making the 1888/90.
In 1892 came the rotating-bolthead Mannlicher straight-pull using the same ammunition; the longer Rifle version was adopted as standard in 1895.
These later rifles all used the 8x50R and are the rifles later converted to 8x56R and to 8x57.
Hope this helps.
.
Hi smellie,
I will disagree with you, the 1885 Mannlicher was a clip fed rifle very similiar to the 1886 Mannlicher. The two main differences were the lever on the right side rear of the magazine and the fact that the clip was ejected similar to the Garand. The 1885 also had a different rear sight. It was passed over and the 1886 Mannlicher was adopted instead. The 1888, 8x50Rmm cartridge was a compressed black powder cartridge and the 1890, 8x50Rmm was a smokeless cartridge.
Please see http://www.hungariae.com/Mann85.htm.
The rotating straight pull bot made its appearance in the 1890, 8x50Rmm Mannliacher carbine.
Please see http://www.hungariae.com/Mann90.htm.
The 1892 carbine using this action was the Swiss 1892 carbine. http://www.swissrifles.com/1893/index.html. The 1892 carbine used the Swiss charger and the 7x53.5MM cartridge.
I will disagree with you, the 1885 Mannlicher was a clip fed rifle very similiar to the 1886 Mannlicher. The two main differences were the lever on the right side rear of the magazine and the fact that the clip was ejected similar to the Garand. The 1885 also had a different rear sight. It was passed over and the 1886 Mannlicher was adopted instead. The 1888, 8x50Rmm cartridge was a compressed black powder cartridge and the 1890, 8x50Rmm was a smokeless cartridge.
Please see http://www.hungariae.com/Mann85.htm.
The rotating straight pull bot made its appearance in the 1890, 8x50Rmm Mannliacher carbine.
Please see http://www.hungariae.com/Mann90.htm.
The 1892 carbine using this action was the Swiss 1892 carbine. http://www.swissrifles.com/1893/index.html. The 1892 carbine used the Swiss charger and the 7x53.5MM cartridge.
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