Stg44 i wish
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Had a friend with one (among many FA's), was very easy to shoot well. Like the Thompson, heavy enough to soak up the recoil. - dan
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Have never seen one, but good to know - will keep an eye out. I'm not short on brass for now...
Heavy gun. But well suite for FA. More effective than the M2 in accuracy and power in FA. Brass is readily available.
I never weighed mine, but 13 pounds seems too high. When I pick a Thompson, it seems heavy, but this '44 feels just fine. What does come to mind is how crude or poorly finished it is. A reminder of the times it came from.
I never weighed mine, but 13 pounds seems too high. When I pick a Thompson, it seems heavy, but this '44 feels just fine. What does come to mind is how crude or poorly finished it is. A reminder of the times it came from.
My dies are from Hornady, brass and bullets I got years ago from Trade Ex.
Just as a trial I have reformed some 308 brass, it works but is a real pain getting the neck thin enough, too thick and the round gets stuck in the chamber.
Just as a trial I have reformed some 308 brass, it works but is a real pain getting the neck thin enough, too thick and the round gets stuck in the chamber.
11 lbs, 5 Oz loaded. I Google it. Probably 12 lbs with Sling....
Coyote Ugly
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Heavy gun. But well suite for FA. More effective than the M2 in accuracy and power in FA. Brass is readily available.
I never weighed mine, but 13 pounds seems too high. When I pick a Thompson, it seems heavy, but this '44 feels just fine. What does come to mind is how crude or poorly finished it is. A reminder of the times it came from.
STG 44 is heavier than the FN C1 rifle , but shorter ,
It was stupid from US side to ignore that Germans, British and Soviets all came to same conclusion - the need for intermediate cartridge. Rimless (!) .280 was a great candidate to develop something good. Because of US all West/NATO got into beating the head against the wall trying to marry full auto rifles with full size rifle cartridge. Idea, abandoned by Soviets with AVT-40 (though technically they understood it with "Fedorov avtomat" in 1920x).
You are a bit off on the date of Soviets getting their hand on STG. They captured first MKb. 42(H) in early days of March of 1943. I read reports about evaluation of that captured assault rifle and even in quite technical documents and conclusions one can see they were shocked. Both by prospects of application of such firearm and by technological capabilities of German industry. 16 April Stalin personally was informed about "number of captured assault weapon of new type". Reaction was quick. 15 June 1943 commission was discussing a way to start developing Soviet intermediate cartridge and firearms. Commission was presented with two firearms and their cartridges: MKb. 42 with it's "reduced power rifle cartridge" and American M1 Carbine with its "increased power pistol cartridge". As the result the orders were made to create Soviet intermediate cartridge, they liked German way of scaling down rifle cartridge better. 29 July 1943 they accepted technical requirements for new cartridge and all Soviet firearm designers were informed that they need to start working on the samples of firearm for new cartridge. 12 Aug 1943 they accepted and sent out technical requirements #TTT2456-43 that included request to develop semi-auto carbine, assault rifle and machine gun for new cartridge. This resulted in adoption of SKS-45 (as a replacement for MN M44), AK-47 (as a replacement of PPSh-41 and PPS-43), RPD-44 (as a replacement of DPM) and M43 cartridge on 18th of June 1949.
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Much less powerful cartridge, I guess. - dan
Why Canada bought the C2 an not done as the Brits did and convert Brens to 7.62 is one of lifes mysteries. That said the C2 was great at converting perfectly good ammunition into noise in FA................in SA I pulled off some amazing groups.
Fascinating !
Someone has to be making brass and projectiles over there, as I cant see them importing old supplies that have/are drying up
Privi Partisan (PPU) out of the former Yugoslavia is manufacturing current 7.92x33mm FMJ at an imported retail cost of just over $2 per round ($42.95 / 20 rds), available through Wolverine Supplies in Virden, MB.
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Privi Partisan (PPU) out of the former Yugoslavia is manufacturing current 7.92x33mm FMJ at an imported retail cost of just over $2 per round ($42.95 / 20 rds), available through Wolverine Supplies in Virden, MB.
Yes, sorry. Didnt make myself clear. I was referring to mbogo's comment about Pakistani locals using Kurz ammo in their AK's. I cant see them doing $2/ shot given their standard of living/poverty level. Which makes me wonder about a local Pak manufacturer(s)
