Sticky Cooey 64

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I just put together this Cooey 64 I bought as a project gun. I works fine except the ejection of the spent shell jams up like it is not being throwin clear of the next shell comin in. I was told by this fellow the number one mistake people make with these is they oil the slide it gets gummed up and slows down. I think this may be the possible issue with it. So I was wondering:

Does this sound like a possible reason for my problem with this?
And what is the best way to clean this and cleaner to use to get it oil free?

I don't wish to take the hole rifle apart, the stock off no problem but don't want to dis assemble the metal parts.

Any thought anyone would be appreciated.


Zig11


Thanks for the input guys really helps. Yes it is a 22. Mine is the one with the plastic magazine. I didn't take it apart and prefer not to but will if really neccessary. I would like to try cleaning the old oil out first. I thought maybe dunking the assembly in varsol or something similiar, hence the reason I asked in the first place. It may be a bent spring from the previous owner but I would like to try cleaning first. Ir seems the G96 is the most popular stated. I may some but I thought it was a lubricate.

Zig11
 
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Youre talking about a 64 .22 right?
Silicone drylube works good. Spray graphite works just as good too.

Semi's need to run dry as a bone.

Now on the 64 you need to take the barrel off to get the guts out. On the barrel there is a little hole (can't see the hole unless the barrel is pulled off). In this little hole goes a wire "spring". It's called the ejector spring IIRC. Did you bend this thing by any chance?

It's a little wire that tucks into a slot on the side of the bolt. While the bolt is closed that "spring" is under tension. When the bolt slides back, the tension is released and the wire comes out (you can then see it) and pushes the spent casing out of the action.

I'm thinking this is your problem.
Spring is worth 3 bucks. But the Barrel can be a real ##### to remove if it has never been taken apart.
 
You can download the manual for the 64G from the Savage site, this will help you figure out how to disassemble & reassemble. If not careful easy to damage the ejector. That said, these rifles really are simple to take apart and clean (also nice that can clean from the breach end). Lube as little as you can and then a little less than that. I found G96 to work fine too.
 
"...not being thrown clear of the next shell coming in..." The empty should be out before the new round is fed in. Is it not ejecting at all?
"...found G96 to work fine..." G96 is a brand name. They do make a spray degreaser though. Mind you, taking the barrel off a Cooey 64 isn't hard.
 
There are a few variations in the ejectors of the 64's. The wire ejector in the 64 and the flat ejector in the 64B (and variants). I have 3 different styles for the 64B alone.
 
OP mentioned plastic mag so its one of the early ones.

Really not difficult to disassemble and necessary for proper cleaning. if anything you may forget to put charging handle back in :)

Have a look here (in the videos is later model with non-wire ejector)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rscEBXWUKj4
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s3Zat5qIPs4&feature=related

Personally I would hold ends closer together and do less twisting but you'll develop your own style. At at about 2 minutes in first one will see bolt come out - thats what you need to wipe down and also inside of receiver - if dont take it apart then cant clean it. When clean these rifles work really well, but if not... Again, its one of the easier semis to take apart (and put back together).
 
The plastic mag 64s are the first Cooey issues of this model. It really needs to be disassembled to clean properly and then after about every 500 shells down the tube. The ejector is indeed a wire one and it can be broken or missing completely. By not rotating the barrel when taking apart, you will not damage the ejector if it is there. Mainly 5 parts to these guns and so easily disassembled and reassembled. The wire ejector is attached to the barrel so it will come out when the barrel does. Bending slightly will again give the pressure needed to flip out the casings. The extractor can be worn too and not pulling the casing back far enough to hit the ejector. You will find out when you try it after cleaning and reassembly. And firing of course. A friend of mine makes parts for the Cooey line of guns. If you need parts, PM me and I will send phone number.


Early Mossberg semis are much easier to disassemble and clean.
 
Winnipeg Toymaker said:
Early Mossberg semis are much easier to disassemble and clean.
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or the marlin 60 lol


As for the OP

I got a guy here that has those wire ejectors in stock. I don't know how easy they are to find but If you need one I can grab one and mail it to ya. As far as other parts for it I'm not sure what he still has. Winnipeg Toymaker's buddy might be your best bet finding parts. Numrich seems to have some stuff but then again ... is it the right "version" for your model.
 
Zig11 said:
I just put together this Cooey 64 I bought as a project gun. I works fine except the ejection of the spent shell jams up like it is not being throwin clear of the next shell comin in. I was told by this fellow the number one mistake people make with these is they oil the slide it gets gummed up and slows down. I think this may be the possible issue with it. So I was wondering:

Does this sound like a possible reason for my problem with this?
And what is the best way to clean this and cleaner to use to get it oil free?

I don't wish to take the hole rifle apart, the stock off no problem but don't want to dis assemble the metal parts.

Any thought anyone would be appreciated.


Zig11


Thanks for the input guys really helps. Yes it is a 22. Mine is the one with the plastic magazine. I didn't take it apart and prefer not to but will if really neccessary. I would like to try cleaning the old oil out first. I thought maybe dunking the assembly in varsol or something similiar, hence the reason I asked in the first place. It may be a bent spring from the previous owner but I would like to try cleaning first. Ir seems the G96 is the most popular stated. I may some but I thought it was a lubricate.

Zig11
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Thanks alot guys! Man I love this site. Everything was helpful and now I feel stupid watching how easy that guy did it on you tube LOL. He did it in two and a half minutes, I thought I needed a machinist bench! Thanks again.

Zig11
 
Zig11 said:
Thanks alot guys! Man I love this site. Everything was helpful and now I feel stupid watching how easy that guy did it on you tube LOL. He did it in two and a half minutes, I thought I needed a machinist bench! Thanks again.

Zig11
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Well I clean it, easy just as stated but it still has issues. Is it possible the plastis magazine is wore to the point the next shell is loading a hair too quickly interfering with the shell being expelled? It is working better but still the same issue.

Zig11
 
Zig11 said:
Is it possible the plastis magazine is wore to the point the next shell is loading a hair too quickly interfering with the shell being expelled?

Zig11
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Doubt it.


The spent casing should be long gone before the bolt picks up another cartridge. You can buy a new magazine from savage. They still make the model 64 under their name and the mag. is the exact same save the plastic. Might help, could not change a thing. Regardless you'd have a spare lol. I think they are worth something around 17-20 bucks.

The ejector, was it wire i take it. When you pull the bolt back manually how far out does the ejector go? Enough to give the spent case a good wallop?
 
the plastic mags are obsolete and the whole mag well and mag need replacing. You can get these direct from savage. They are the same as the ones for the savage 64. easily installed. Google Savage arms and Email the parts department.

The ejector may be a flat notched steel piece. If so it may be well worn or replaced by a previous owner. It should have been a wire one. Perhaps the gun has had the barrel replaced with a later model barrel. The plastic mag lips get worn and they stop functioning good. ( i have one too) so the replacement pieces are the way to go. I have the Cooey 64, 64 c/w metal mag converted, Cooey 64A, Lakefield 64B and Sears 8C
 
I have a Lakefield 64B and this Cooey 64B. They have different magazine setups as well as different stock shapes. If I try to put the magazine well in for the metal magazine, will I have to reshape the metal area around wooden stock to receive the mag well? It has the metal ejector, so you think I need the wire one? There was wear marks on the ejector so I would assume it has been in there for a while. Would it be worth while to hunt for a plastic mag or do they make that shape magazine in metal?

Sorry for all the questions but I do appreciate the help.

Zig11
 
Plastic mags are obsolete. You may find one but could take years. No attempts to make a metal one like the plastic. They went the metal magwell and mag . The wood and metal may have to be altered, you will see how much when you put the new one in. Very little alteration IIRC.

Try the mag well and mag before trying to replace the ejector. Ejectors are cheap and available , if you really need one. Be sure the extractor is in good shape also.


the Lakefield 64B is original but I have never seen a Cooey 64B,..... original plastic mag models are stamped Cooey 64. first conversion to metal mags are Cooey 64A IIRC. I stand to be corrected by those of more knowledge about the 64s.
 
This one is a Cooey 64b If you are a collector I will sell it to you unaltered or trade you for another 64 if you wish. It doesn't matter to me. Just a thought. I ordered the conversion kit from Ellwood Epps today. Delivered it will be $38. I hate to change the original but it seem that is the norm and neccessary. I have the plastic chip and a says "Cooey" on the bottom, I didn't see 64 on it but it may have it. They are a fun little gun to plink with an a pretty good shooter at that.

I bought thid one as I already have a Lakefield 64 and like it so I thought another wouldn't hurt so my son can plink with me. Thanks for the info and help.

Regards,
Zig11
 
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