Stock refinishing question?

When refinishing milsurp stocks Google is your best friend for getting information. First find out what type finish was applied to the stocks when new and WHY it was used.

Products like bleach and EASY-OFF oven cleaner can breakdown the wood and destroy the cellular structure of the wood.

Products like Minwax wood stains will seal the surface of the wood and prevent your oil finishes from penetrating "INTO" the stock. Water and alcohol base wood dyes will allow oil type finishes to soak into the wood.

Google furniture refinishing and read how to refinish wood and not do any damage.

British and American military firearm stocks were hot dipped in "RAW" linseed oil and allowed to soak for a given time to allow the "raw" linseed oil to penetrate "deeply" into the wood. And BLO was never applied to military firearms, "but" tung oil was used during on American stocks during WWII.

A conservator in a museum will clean antique stocks with a 50/50 mixture of "raw" linseed oil and turpentine. A small section of the stock is cleaned at a time using a lint free cotton cloth and a heat lamp to bring the impurities to the surface.

And Bubba puts his stocks in the dishwasher and then sands the crap out of the wood.

For milsurp rifles that are "shooters" there is a lot of middle ground when refinishing the wooden stocks, and this is decided by the owner of the firearm.

On milsurps that are collectibles the "conservator in a museum" method should only be used.

On my "shooters" the stocks are stripped with products used on fine furniture and "NOT" products used to strip and bleach outside wooden decks.

I finish my shooter grade stocks by applying a 50/50 mixture of "RAW" linseed oil and turpentine and let the wood absorb it "into" the wood. After the linseed oil has dried I apply several coats of Minwax Tung oil finish to seal the surface of the wood. This tung oil finish is nothing more than a wiping varnish and it contains "NO" Tung oil.

NOTE: Read about building wooden canoes and the finish applied to them to protect them from water and the elements. I'll give you a hint, raw linseed oil is applied until the wood will not absorb any more "RAW" linseed oil and then varnish is applied over the raw linseed oil. The "RAW" linseed oil keeps the wood from drying out and shrinking and the varnish "seals" the surface and protects the wood, if air can't get to the "RAW" linseed oil it doesn't dry and the wood will not shrink.
 
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Great thread.
I want to add that instead of a garbage can for those long stocks one could use pvc/abs type pipe cut to the right length and capped off.
 
Perfect timing on finding this thread; I just picked up a K31 that I would like to strip and refinish - so I can use some hints from here to help out. Thanks.
 
bigedp had some great points in there. A must if someone wants to refinish.

With Linseed type stocks that have little to no finish I heat up my raw linseed over a double boiler and also heat up the stock gently with sun and a heat gun. Then pour and soak. You would be surprised how much the stuff sucks up.

Also, as mentioned above, stay away from minwax stains. If you really want to stain, go to somehwere that specialized in it. In my basement I had 3 type of wood I wanted stained the same color. Pine, Mahogany, and Poplar (cause it was cheaper). I went to the stain place and they gave me 3 different stains as each wood gives a slightly different hue and dye retention properties. The end result was amazing. All the wood came out identical. The one size fits all does not apply to stains, and again as mentioned above, depending on your final finish, a pigment type oil based will prevent proper penetration.
 
bigedp had some great points in there. A must if someone wants to refinish.
With Linseed type stocks that have little to no finish I heat up my raw linseed over a double boiler and also heat up the stock gently with sun and a heat gun. Then pour and soak. You would be surprised how much the stuff sucks up.

Or buy wall paper wetting trays and let your stocks soak overnight in the "RAW" linseed oil.

Bedding forces are critical on the Enfield rifle, and wood shrinkage will play havoc with accuracy because the draws area acts like the second and missing bedding screw to tighten the stock to the action. Just think of a dry sponge and then pouring water on the sponge, and the dry wood will soak up raw linseed oil like a sponge and expand and might save you from shimming the draws.
 
That's an interesting finish on the K31. I'm surprised it didn't go darker all over.

I find the minwax gunstock stain is very red. To the OP - What did you end up doing for stains? You asked a bunch of questions in this thread and didn't get a lot of answers.

I don't think I would have tried bleach on the stocks - did you find that it altered their condition or colour much? I'm not sure why you bothered to bleach them when you followed with a dark stain on both pieces?

I have used circa 1850 furniture stripper with good results, it removes stain and oil finish very cleanly. Follow that with steaming and the stock tends to look brand new.

I want to join others in recommending tru oil for your gun stocks as well. It is a linseed oil with chemical driers and hardeners added. It can be buffed to a very high gloss if you desire, and it applies and dries easily and quickly. Especially in comparison to raw or "boiled" linseed oil.

I restored a lee enfield with straight BLO, then 50/50 blo/thinner and it was still aggravatingly slow to dry and difficult to apply without runs or blemishes. That said it CAN be a very beautiful finish. It takes a lot of work though.

Here's a cooey 22 stock with minwax gunstock and tru oil


cooey 12ga with tru oil only


Lee enfield with BLO


You can see that it is more of a dull sheen with the BLO. It does have more of that warm smell and feel to it however, better suiting the rifle.

Nice work bringing back your rifles!
 
If you are new to refinishing, I second Tru-Oil: http://www.leevalley.com/US/wood/page.aspx?p=67594&cat=1,190,42942 there are also gun stock refinishing kits out there and many videos on Youtube to help give you more confidence. Enjoy and be sure to post some pics of the finished product :)

Tru-oil is great for refinishing sporting guns and such but I would never use it on milsurps. It is nothing like the original finish that was on military weapons and really detracts from appearance and value in my opinion. The Gunboards K98 forum has a thread regarding finish to use on mausers and some guys on there are pretty violent in their preference.
 
You can get a beautiful slightly glossy finish with great depth using BLO if you know how to do it. Using a French polish on my wife's Cooey Carcano I got a wonderful finish.

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This is my go to finish method on sporter stocks now. I've tried several others including spraying varathane, but this is the classiest finish by far. Just takes a few months and a boat load of patience.
 
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