Stoeger quality control

[FatCatsDad]

Seems like there is none.
Picked up a new blued fixed choke 20 gauge Coachgun that needed work right out of the box.

Safety did not work.
The bar that moves over the triggers to prevent operation was too long.
Fixed that with a file, but thumb slide was extremely difficult to move..found the roll pin jamming against frame, means hole was drilled in wrong spot, more file work.
Extractor was very difficult to move and found a spot weld not ground down rubbing on it, more file work.



While it was opened up I shortened the impeller lock to permanently disable the auto safety and cut 1½ coils off the spring and polished all the mating surfaces.

It's crazy you have to do that to a new gun

 

[morp]

That’s a shame on a new gun. You reach out to them? I would be pissed

Ive handled a couple Stoegers and although I’ve been tempted, I find them to be some of the roughest sxs I’ve ever seen and they quickly managed to curb my enthusiasm.
I think that money would be much better spent over at intersurplus on one of their many older shotguns. Almost all would be a better quality gun.

 

[FatCatsDad]

Stoegers and although I’ve been tempted, I find them to be some of the roughest sxs I’ve ever seen and they quickly managed to curb my enthusiasm.
I think that money would be much better spent over at intersurplus on one of their many older shotguns. Almost all would be a better quality gun.

I also own a 12g Supreme, that's obviously been slicked up by the previous owner.
But is easy to open and overall smooth.

I suppose they are diamonds in the rough.

Luckily they are super simple, like a Glock to take apart.

A little time with a small fine file, stone and polish and they really come to life.

I just wonder how the guys that aren't handy manage these issues.

 

[Jon9021]

Back it goes! Totally unacceptable.

 

[IanC]

I recently bought a nickel 20ga Boito which is similar but with a painted stock. For the price of them now I would have sent it back as modding voids the warranty. I removed the safety lever on mine as I only use it for cowboy. Will put a few boxes through it and then get to work smoothing things out. Just want to make sure everything works right. I have not done anything permanent yet. They seem to be one of those guns to tinker with. But now that they are getting expensive a friend of mine suggested that Huglu be a brand to look into instead. I am happy with mine though. It functions well enough and on the clock I don’t notice the roughness of it. These used to be $400 guns new. I got mine for what I think to be a pretty good price at Tillsonburg gun shop.

 

[Dave_D]

I have a coachgun supreme too. It was OK when I received it. But I spent the time to slick it up. And disable the auto safety when cocking. Etc. night and day. And worth the time to do imo.
I knew going into it that it wouldn’t be perfect. And they’re budget guns anyways so can’t expect premium ?

 

[struff55]

guys they are not marketed as quality guns you pay for what you get
you don't pay much that's what you get
they below entry level

 

[FatCatsDad]

Does anyone know if the roll pins are SAE or METRIC ?

I still have a bit of a clearance issue and need to file more material away from the area.

The current roll pin won't withstand another removal and reinstallation.

 

[Alex McKr]

Stoeger quality control is sketchy, at best. These shotguns are essentially kit guns. That will require some work to get them operating properly.....as you discovered. Yours seems to be particularly bad.
As for the roll pins, Stoeger typically uses SAE sized pins. Though I won't swear that's the case, with all of them.
Hope this info is useful

Al

 

[bearhunter]

I also own a 12g Supreme, that's obviously been slicked up by the previous owner.
But is easy to open and overall smooth.

I suppose they are diamonds in the rough.

Luckily they are super simple, like a Glock to take apart.

A little time with a small fine file, stone and polish and they really come to life.

I just wonder how the guys that aren't handy manage these issues.

FCD, Stoeger firearms used to be very reliable and fully functional without issues. That has changed with "outsourcing" manufacture.

That happened with a lot of "old world" firearms manufacturers.

Rather than manufacturing their firearms in their own shops, they contract the job to out of country shops, some with less than desirable skill sets.

Your shotgun was put together from bits made in different facilities by unskilled workers, to cut costs and offer it to you and others are affordable prices. You know this of course, but some here may not.

 

[IanC]

bearhunter, these guns were always outsourced from Brazil. Stoeger doesn’t make guns they are a distributor.

 

[FatCatsDad]

FCD, Stoeger firearms used to be very reliable and fully functional without issues. That has changed with "outsourcing" manufacture.

That happened with a lot of "old world" firearms manufacturers.

Rather than manufacturing their firearms in their own shops, they contract the job to out of country shops, some with less than desirable skill sets.

Your shotgun was put together from bits made in different facilities by unskilled workers, to cut costs and offer it to you and others are affordable prices. You know this of course, but some here may not.

I dont have the right words but everything you buy seems to be shiṭ these days.
From $4000 fridges to $80K vehicles and shoddy workmanship on new homes and renos.

At one time a $500 gun was a beautiful piece to own now $500 buys a Turkish farmers pile of shiṭ.

The reason I went with Stoeger is because foolish me still considers it a decent quality brand name.

I've got the time and background where taking it apart and filing , stoning and polishing isn't a head scratching headache but I wonder about all the thousands of younger buyers who may not have the experience, skill set, time or even a place to safely leave the pieces laying out for a week.

I can't even imagine where the quality and reliability of manufactured goods will be in another 20 years.

It should be getting better with all the available technologies but manufacturing is reverting to the types of shops and facilities you regular see in the you tube videos.

Gun factories in dark, dirt floor shops with decades old worn out equipment with people in safety flip flops and zero QC.

All that aside, after my grandsons summer visit I won't need it and I'll be selling it in the EE and someone's going to get a super smooth running shotgun for a great price

 

[Jonnyofalltrades]

Stoeger has never manufactured guns. They put their name on guns manufactured for them in various places around the world.
In the past, some of them were pretty nice. I've never done more with a Coach gun than handle it in a gun store, but I did wonder how much slop it would have after a few thousand rounds.

 

[bearhunter]

I dont have the right words but everything you buy seems to be shiṭ these days.
From $4000 fridges to $80K vehicles and shoddy workmanship on new homes and renos.

At one time a $500 gun was a beautiful piece to own now $500 buys a Turkish farmers pile of shiṭ.

The reason I went with Stoeger is because foolish me still considers it a decent quality brand name.

I've got the time and background where taking it apart and filing , stoning and polishing isn't a head scratching headache but I wonder about all the thousands of younger buyers who may not have the experience, skill set, time or even a place to safely leave the pieces laying out for a week.

I can't even imagine where the quality and reliability of manufactured goods will be in another 20 years.

It should be getting better with all the available technologies but manufacturing is reverting to the types of shops and facilities you regular see in the you tube videos.

Gun factories in dark, dirt floor shops with decades old worn out equipment with people in safety flip flops and zero QC.

All that aside, after my grandsons summer visit I won't need it and I'll be selling it in the EE and someone's going to get a super smooth running shotgun for a great price

Instead of selling this "super smooth running shotgun" why don't you set it aside for your grandson as a "legacy"

You've turned a "sow's ear" into a silk purse.

You did the job which should have been done by the manufacturer. You hand fitted all of the pieces into a very decent product, to be proud of, as well as reliable.

If your grandson appreciates such things, what could be more fitting? That shotgun will carry memories of your time together, that is invaluable.

When my grandson got his PAL, I gave him a TC single shot 22rf, which was the first propellant operated firearm he had shot, learned to shoot well on and shoot his first "big game animal" snowshoe hare. He loves that little rifle and wants to pass it on to his son/daughter, if he has one.

Same goes for the first shotgun he learned on.

You just can't put a value on these things, especially when you've eliminated the bugs and it all goes flawlessly.

 

[homslice]

Instead of selling this "super smooth running shotgun" why don't you set it aside for your grandson as a "legacy"

You've turned a "sow's ear" into a silk purse.

You did the job which should have been done by the manufacturer. You hand fitted all of the pieces into a very decent product, to be proud of, as well as reliable.

If your grandson appreciates such things, what could be more fitting? That shotgun will carry memories of your time together, that is invaluable.

When my grandson got his PAL, I gave him a TC single shot 22rf, which was the first propellant operated firearm he had shot, learned to shoot well on and shoot his first "big game animal" snowshoe hare. He loves that little rifle and wants to pass it on to his son/daughter, if he has one.

Same goes for the first shotgun he learned on.

You just can't put a value on these things, especially when you've eliminated the bugs and it all goes flawlessly.

SHHHH......
Don't tell him that I like buying stuff off him for good prices

 

[maifire]

My M3K has been without issue since new.

But there is no argument…quality and pride in workmanship has universally been flushed down the drain

 

[Dave_D]

SHHHH......
Don't tell him that I like buying stuff off him for good prices

He’s got a stoeger coach gun posted right now. For ONLY 700 bucks
Better get on it before it’s gone

 

[homslice]

I tried a couple of Stoeger semi while shooting clays last fall.
Hands down preferred my Mossberg 500 pump over them.

 

[svt1940]

Early summer i bought a Baikal coachgun with external hammer. I wanted a coachgun for a long time but i didnt want a Stoger/Boito because the quality left to be desired. A friend had 2 Stoger coachgun ,a 12 and a 20 gauge and finish was rough,rib between barrel was soldered crooked! They were brand new guns!