Stoeger Tactical Coach Gun

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Win/64 said:
So lets "recap" You don't know anything about shotguns, As long as it is cheap it has your vote. Love your "fantasy land".
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Again, please elaborate on how you came to this conclusion and what facts you have to back it up. Perhaps like many on this forum you've resorted to personal attacks because you lack the knowledge to support your theory. Lets recap, you still haven't disputed any of the information I've posted.

TDC
 
Win/64 said:
Well for one thing you said SXS's are a "Cheaper" alternative to Pump guns. Also You said Semis were "heavy" and "unreliable" need I go on?
Seems to me your main criteria for a self defence gun is. "cheap"
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Should I say it again?
 
TDC said:
Again, where's the supporting evidence? You're speculating. I already addressed me error regarding price. Semi autos are indeed heavier than their pump action counter parts and cost more as well.

Rem 11-87 26" 8.125 lbs (91 parts) MSRP $774
Rem 870 26" 7.25 lbs (96 parts) MSRP $425 USD
Mossberg 590 20" 7.25 lbs (79 parts) MSRP $649 USD
Mossberg 930 26" 7.75 lbs (unknown) MSRP $604 USD
Benelli M4 18.5" 7.8 bs (154 parts) MSRP $1700 USD
Browning Citori Field 26" 7.75 (95 parts) MSRP $2300 USD
Beretta Extrema 26" 7.8 lbs (unknown) MSRP $1100 USD

As for reliability, read some posts from another forum regarding the Beretta Extrema and its inability to use all loads available. I don't hear of such issues with a pump gun, or a SXS for that matter.
http://www.shotgunworld.com/bbs/viewtopic.php?t=4997


Cheap is always a plus, provided the qaulity of the product isn't seriously affected. I doubt the $2300 Citori is the best suited tool for defensive work compared to the others listed. Note the parts count as well. More parts for fewer shots doesn't make much sense to me. To be honest, I'm quite surprised the SXS or O/U comprises more parts than most pumps and a few semi's as well.

So lets recap. The SXS or O/U costs more, has as many or more parts, and weighs more than a quality pump gun and in some cases semi auto. One step further, the Semi autos are nowhere near as reliable as a pump gun. Looks to me the pump gun has the bases covered. Cheap as in economical, lighter, fewer parts, increased magazine capacity and reliability.

TDC
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Since when does a SXS have more moving parts than a pump gun? So it costs more. Quality and reliability always costs more.
 
TW25B said:
Sh*t yah like a muzzle loader blunderbuss! You can load it up with Jacks and broken glass!!! :rolleyes: Is this the cowboy action thread?!
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YEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAW!


forbes/hutton said:
So then new school wins when the powers on?
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I don't like relying on somebody else to keep things working. That's how useless people are made. Turn the lights out, which leads me to this gem:

TDC said:
Aside from the heap of sh*t posted in this thread, how many other SXS or O/U shotguns are capable of mounting a light?? You're definitely living in a fantasy world.

TDC
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I'm not affraid of G Money and his boys coming to kick down my door. You will never, ever find a gun in my home that requires batteries to make me feel special and secure. I don't know about you, but I'm not affraid of my own shadow and I realize I'm not that important that I expect the whole Delta Force to raid my home. In the very unlikely event that my home get's broken into I know for a fact that if I had to rely on a firearm, it sure as Hell wouldn't matter what type it was, as the bad guy wouldn't see it anyways. Especially if you blind him with your mall ninja mounted light. He would just have to take my word for it until I turned on the lights. IF he had friends with him, do you think crooks are brave, coolheaded individuals? I've ran into a few. Their chicken#### #######s who prefer to run with their tails between their legs. If G-Money does come in with his friends, and let's say for the sake of ha ha you were with him, and he tried to harm me and my family I let him have a load of #4's right in the guts. Would you be brave enough to stick around? Would you be the next volunteer to get shot? I only have 1 shot left, who wants it? I doubt I'd get any volunteers. Life isn't like the movies. Accuse me of living in a fantasy world? Sounds to me like too many people spend too much time in video game land. Go run around your house whenever you hear a bump in the dark with your pimped out pump. I sleep pretty good without all that crap hanging off my guns.
 
pharaoh2 said:
YEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAW!


I'm not affraid of G Money and his boys coming to kick down my door.
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Word! G Money and his homies better watch out. My main man Pharaoh don't play! Word it's click click boom when you step up in his living room. Gangster sideways Glock grippin' fools... Check the time!

Booooya!
 
Win/64 said:
Since when does a SXS have more moving parts than a pump gun? So it costs more. Quality and reliability always costs more.
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Are you going to debate the information I've posted or not?

Browning Citori
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/schematics/schemmfg.aspx?schemid=395&m=2&mn=Browning®&model=Citori+

Mossberg 500
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/sc...d=160&m=10&mn=Mossberg®&model=500A,+12+Gauge+

So somehow you still believe that paying more regardless of the style or design of the tool is assurance that you bought a quality piece? I guess an AMP DSR1 would be ideal for HD as it is $12k. Why spend $2300 on a two shot sporting gun when you could spend $500 on a good pump and the rest on TRAINING, you know, the deciding factor in the fight. I have to ask, if the SXS or O/U is "ideal" than why aren't there more in patrol cars or being adopted by any military???

TDC
 
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pharaoh2 said:
YEEEEEE HAAAAAAAAW!





I don't like relying on somebody else to keep things working. That's how useless people are made. Turn the lights out, which leads me to this gem:



I'm not affraid of G Money and his boys coming to kick down my door. You will never, ever find a gun in my home that requires batteries to make me feel special and secure. I don't know about you, but I'm not affraid of my own shadow and I realize I'm not that important that I expect the whole Delta Force to raid my home. In the very unlikely event that my home get's broken into I know for a fact that if I had to rely on a firearm, it sure as Hell wouldn't matter what type it was, as the bad guy wouldn't see it anyways. Especially if you blind him with your mall ninja mounted light. He would just have to take my word for it until I turned on the lights. IF he had friends with him, do you think crooks are brave, coolheaded individuals? I've ran into a few. Their chickens**t a**holes who prefer to run with their tails between their legs. If G-Money does come in with his friends, and let's say for the sake of ha ha you were with him, and he tried to harm me and my family I let him have a load of #4's right in the guts. Would you be brave enough to stick around? Would you be the next volunteer to get shot? I only have 1 shot left, who wants it? I doubt I'd get any volunteers. Life isn't like the movies. Accuse me of living in a fantasy world? Sounds to me like too many people spend too much time in video game land. Go run around your house whenever you hear a bump in the dark with your pimped out pump. I sleep pretty good without all that crap hanging off my guns.
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I agree that battery dependent gear is a weak point, I don't run anything other than lights that require batteries.

You mention taking care of business when the lights go out, then talk about turning the lights on, so which is it?

I would agree that the vast majority of scumbags are rather spineless. However, I'm not willing to underestimate my adversary and bank on that belief.

I don't have anything other than a light hanging on my shotgun, oh and a sling. Aside from that, the shotgun isn't the go to, the rifle is.

TDC
 
TDC said:
Are you going to debate the information I've posted or not?

Browning Citori
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/schematics/schemmfg.aspx?schemid=395&m=2&mn=Browning®&model=Citori+

Mossberg 500
http://www.brownells.com/aspx/ns/sc...d=160&m=10&mn=Mossberg®&model=500A,+12+Gauge+

So somehow you still believe that paying more regardless of the style or design of the tool is assurance that you bought a quality piece? I guess an AMP DSR1 would be ideal for HD as it is $12k. Why spend $2300 on a two shot sporting gun when you could spend $500 on a good pump and the rest on TRAINING, you know, the deciding factor in the fight. I have to ask, if the SXS or O/U is "ideal" than why aren't there more in patrol cars or being adopted by any military???

TDC
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Guess you don't even know the difference between a SxS and an O/U.
 
In my home, this is my tactical light.
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For what it's worth, I own and use pump guns too. For a duck gun, their great. :)
 
Win/64 said:
Guess you don't even know the difference between a SxS and an O/U.
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I am aware the Citori is an O/U. Do tell how the position of the barrels affects the parts involved? Oddly, I couldn't find a schematic for a SXS.

So again, are you going to debate the information I've posted or not?

TDC
 
TDC said:
I am aware the Citori is an O/U. Do tell how the position of the barrels affects the parts involved? Oddly, I couldn't find a schematic for a SXS.

So again, are you going to debate the information I've posted or not?

TDC
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What was it you wanted to debate? The fact that you think SxS's are cheaper than Pump guns? Or your point on modern Autoloaders are heavy and ammo sensitive.
 
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