Stoeger Tactical Coach Gun

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Where to start. If you don't have a firearm loaded at the ready you're already lacking in mindset and behind the power curve
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So... to recap. You are storing your firearms loaded.
Those are the CFC regulations on storage of non rest firearms
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[Storage of Non-Restricted Firearms] 5. (1) An individual may store a non-restricted firearm only if

(a) it is unloaded;

(b) it is

(i) rendered inoperable by means of a secure locking device,

(ii) rendered inoperable by the removal of the bolt or bolt-carrier, or

(iii) stored in a container, receptacle or room that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into; and

(c) it is not readily accessible to ammunition, unless the ammunition is stored, together with or separately from the firearm, in a container or receptacle that is kept securely locked and that is constructed so that it cannot readily be broken open or into.

(2) Paragraph (1)(b) does not apply to any individual who stores a non-restricted firearm temporarily if the individual reasonably requires it for the control of predators or other animals in a place where it may be discharged in accordance with all applicable Acts of Parliament and of the legislature of a province, regulations made under such Acts, and municipal by-laws.

(3) Paragraph (1)(b) and (c) do not apply to an individual who stores a non-restricted firearm in a location that is in a remote wilderness area that is not subject to any visible or otherwise reasonably ascertainable use incompatible with hunting.
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Notice how there are exemptions for b and c, but not for a?
Also, yes, i am willing to bet my life on the fact that I will not have dozen armed and trained individuals trying to break in resulting in me having to tactically use my pump to clear all the rooms, or even reload at all.

Wake up. You sound like a bloody mall ninja who gets covered in cold sweat from a raccoon scratching on the door, jumps out, and "pies" every single door way in his full Blackhawk get up to "neutralize the threat".
I actually worry you will end up blasting away your neighbor through the door when they knock at night for whatever harmless reason... like being out of salt or something.

As for prices on break action shotguns. I paid $60 for H&R my single. Action on that thing will outlive any pump that is currently in production right now. After countless years oh firing everything the bore is still mirror like. As for follow up shots? Max attackers there might be is 2-3. While number 1 is laying with a bunch of shot in his gut, other are running or getting hit on the head with the stock. And trust me, you aint wanna get hit in the head with it. Just the barrel alone weights more than the M305 i used to have.
 
Win/64 said:
What was it you wanted to debate? The fact that you think SxS's are cheaper than Pump guns? Or your point on modern Autoloaders are heavy and ammo sensitive.
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Read my last posts. We've covered the cost aspect several times. The weights of common auto loaders and pumps are listed. Am I correct in assuming you still believe that semi's are as light or lighter than a pump and just as reliable?

The original issue at hand in this thread was the abortion of a shotgun that comprised a SXS with pic rails for accessories such as a light and the unnecessary attachment of optics. The question is, why the f*ck would anyone purchase such an abortion let alone run it for HD? There is absolutely nothing in that setup that can't be beaten by a quality pump gun or any quality semi auto rifle.

TDC
 
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made Man said:
Notice how there are exemptions for b and c, but not for a?
Also, yes, i am willing to bet my life on the fact that I will not have dozen armed and trained individuals trying to break in resulting in me having to tactically use my pump to clear all the rooms, or even reload at all.

Wake up. You sound like a bloody mall ninja who gets covered in cold sweat from a raccoon scratching on the door, jumps out, and "pies" every single door way in his full Blackhawk get up to "neutralize the threat".
I actually worry you will end up blasting away your neighbor through the door when they knock at night for whatever harmless reason... like being out of salt or something.

As for prices on break action shotguns. I paid $60 for H&R my single. Action on that thing will outlive any pump that is currently in production right now. After countless years oh firing everything the bore is still mirror like. As for follow up shots? Max attackers there might be is 2-3. While number 1 is laying with a bunch of shot in his gut, other are running or getting hit on the head with the stock. And trust me, you aint wanna get hit in the head with it. Just the barrel alone weights more than the M305 i used to have.
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I'm aware of the ignorant laws put forth by those who fail to grasp the concept of personal safety and the right to it. If you wish to comply with ignorant laws without thinking for yourself, be my guest.

I'm not sure where you come up with your examples but they're awfully weak. "Knock at night for whatever harmless reason... like being out of salt or something." Who do you know asks their neighbour for salt in the wee hours of the night? Aside from that, I don't open the door to people I don't know. Its called thinking, and planning you should try it. You should also take some english classes as your grammer is lacking.

The fact that you're so willing to bet your life on your own fantasy scenario(including your successful outcome:rolleyes:) speaks volumes regarding your mindset, unfortunately its not in a positive light.

What really takes the cake is your blatant fantasy regarding the other attacker(s) whom you will close the distance on while they are fleeing and strike them with the butt of your shotgun. Your successful HD scenario just turned into assault with a weapon. Good thing you thought this one through John Wayne.

TDC
 
TDC said:
Read my last posts. We've covered the cost aspect several times. The weights of common auto loaders and pumps are listed. Am I correct in assuming you still believe that semi's are as light or lighter than a pump and just as reliable?

The original issue at hand in this thread was the abortion of a shotgun that comprised a SXS with pic rails for accessories such as a light and the unnecessary attachment of optics. The question is, why the f*ck would anyone purchase such an abortion let alone run it for HD? There is absolutely nothing in that setup that can't be beaten by a quality pump gun or any quality semi auto rifle.

TDC
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You contradict your self in every post you make. A semi Auto shotgun is "unreliable heavy and expensive". Yet in the same post you sugest using a Semi Auto rifle....:runaway:
 
TDC said:
I'm aware of the ignorant laws put forth by those who fail to grasp the concept of personal safety and the right to it. If you wish to comply with ignorant laws without thinking for yourself, be my guest.

I'm not sure where you come up with your examples but they're awfully weak. "Knock at night for whatever harmless reason... like being out of salt or something." Who do you know asks their neighbour for salt in the wee hours of the night? Aside from that, I don't open the door to people I don't know. Its called thinking, and planning you should try it. You should also take some english classes as your grammer is lacking.

The fact that you're so willing to bet your life on your own fantasy scenario(including your successful outcome:rolleyes:) speaks volumes regarding your mindset, unfortunately its not in a positive light.

What really takes the cake is your blatant fantasy regarding the other attacker(s) whom you will close the distance on while they are fleeing and strike them with the butt of your shotgun. Your successful HD scenario just turned into assault with a weapon. Good thing you thought this one through John Wayne.

TDC
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CC Section 464. "Counselling offence that is not committed" -Except where otherwise expressly provided by law, the following provisions apply in respect of persons who counsel others to commit offenses, namely,

(a) every one who counsels another person to commit an indictable offence is, if the offence is not committed, guilty of an indicatable offense and liable to the same punishment to which a person who attempts to commit that offence is liable; and

(b) every one who counsels another to commit an offence punishable on summary conviction is, if the offence is not committed, guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

R.S.C. 1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.), s. 60

You really should shut up. NOW.
 
forbes/hutton said:
CC Section 464. "Counselling offence that is not committed" -Except where otherwise expressly provided by law, the following provisions apply in respect of persons who counsel others to commit offenses, namely,

(a) every one who counsels another person to commit an indictable offence is, if the offence is not committed, guilty of an indicatable offense and liable to the same punishment to which a person who attempts to commit that offence is liable; and

(b) every one who counsels another to commit an offence punishable on summary conviction is, if the offence is not committed, guilty of an offence punishable on summary conviction.

R.S.C. 1985, c. 27 (1st Supp.), s. 60

You really should shut up. NOW.
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X2 This comes from the same person who has a "Sticky" on firearms safety. :rolleyes:
 
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Wow, not a lot about the Stoeger on this thread... I was just happy to see that they offer single triggers on the SxS. That was my only complaint obout my coach that I had. I might get a single trigger coach if I can find one.
 
Damn... too bad Stoeger Canada would be importing these (I'm assuming they won't go out of their way for a shorter barrel'd version).

It'd be nice to get a Canadian Stoeger 8"~14" version!!
I'd buy one in a second!!!

Drool!!
 
TDC said:
I'm aware of the ignorant laws put forth by those who fail to grasp the concept of personal safety and the right to it. If you wish to comply with ignorant laws without thinking for yourself, be my guest.

I'm not sure where you come up with your examples but they're awfully weak. "Knock at night for whatever harmless reason... like being out of salt or something." Who do you know asks their neighbour for salt in the wee hours of the night? Aside from that, I don't open the door to people I don't know. Its called thinking, and planning you should try it. You should also take some english classes as your grammer is lacking.

The fact that you're so willing to bet your life on your own fantasy scenario(including your successful outcome:rolleyes:) speaks volumes regarding your mindset, unfortunately its not in a positive light.

What really takes the cake is your blatant fantasy regarding the other attacker(s) whom you will close the distance on while they are fleeing and strike them with the butt of your shotgun. Your successful HD scenario just turned into assault with a weapon. Good thing you thought this one through John Wayne.

TDC
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Oh the funnay you just made

This is you ->:kickInTheNuts: <-and this is also you.

PS, look in my signature. There's a hint that English might be my 2nd language. Thanks for advise there tips. :jerkit:

Had neighbors home in late one night asking for salt/sugar/cant remember.

Never had dozen armed intruders busting in through different points of entry trying to re enact OK Corral inside the living room.

That and you are grasping at the straws there, buddy. If after seeing his buddy go down with a gut full of #4 shot other intruder(s) do not run and advance, the shotgun itself becomes a every nice, long and efficient club. No risk of being over powered and it being used against me, other than a club, too.

Also, consider this. Almost everyone here is calling your BS. Take a hint ;)
 
Win/64 said:
You contradict your self in every post you make. A semi Auto shotgun is "unreliable heavy and expensive". Yet in the same post you sugest using a Semi Auto rifle....:runaway:
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No contradiction. The charge and projectile weights in rifle ammunition are linear. Semi auto shotguns are designed to accomodate "all" loads and styles of shot which doesn't provide consistent reliability. I said semi auto shotguns are heavy and unreliable when compared to pump guns. I also stated that a shotgun is not my first choice for HD and isn't the most ideal choice for the task.

TDC
 
made Man said:
Oh the funnay you just made

This is you ->:kickInTheNuts: <-and this is also you.

PS, look in my signature. There's a hint that English might be my 2nd language. Thanks for advise there tips. :jerkit:

Had neighbors home in late one night asking for salt/sugar/cant remember.

Never had dozen armed intruders busting in through different points of entry trying to re enact OK Corral inside the living room.

That and you are grasping at the straws there, buddy. If after seeing his buddy go down with a gut full of #4 shot other intruder(s) do not run and advance, the shotgun itself becomes a every nice, long and efficient club. No risk of being over powered and it being used against me, other than a club, too.

Also, consider this. Almost everyone here is calling your BS. Take a hint ;)
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Good catch on the grammar. So why are your posts rife with errors?

As for your "scenario" again you're creating your own situation and your own outcome. Such a scenario is called Hollywood. You aren't afforded the privilege of deciding who, where, when, or why an attack happens. If the long and efficient club is so effective, why not stick with that from the beginning? Fantasies aside I have yet to hear any logical argument that supports using the SXS over a pump gun, or semi auto rifle.

TDC
 
TDC said:
Good catch on the grammar. So why are your posts rife with errors?

As for your "scenario" again you're creating your own situation and your own outcome. Such a scenario is called Hollywood. You aren't afforded the privilege of deciding who, where, when, or why an attack happens. If the long and efficient club is so effective, why not stick with that from the beginning? Fantasies aside I have yet to hear any logical argument that supports using the SXS over a pump gun, or semi auto rifle.

TDC
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Because unlike you, i am not itching to pull on trigger on someone. My single shotgun allows for the intimidation and 99% of intruders will run away. The other 1% will get bunch of shot in the gut as i do not believe in "warning" shots.

As for rifle being optimum for home defense, i will strongly disagree. Walls are really thin in Canada. I would be too concerned about over penetration. Remember that little bit about being sure what is beyond your target?
Seems you like ignoring common sense safety rules.
 
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